WHAT IS GOING ON??
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Khem Nefermed
Active member
Yes, the Gods would approve of their Temple not being a place of illegal political extremism, focused instead on religion.
They would also approve of not staying married to demonic imagery that is far newer than their actual ancient forms.
Those mad about our evil censorship can love the demonic or shill a dead, 12 year lasting political party elsewhere.
You can sleep easy tonight.
They would also approve of not staying married to demonic imagery that is far newer than their actual ancient forms.
Those mad about our evil censorship can love the demonic or shill a dead, 12 year lasting political party elsewhere.
You can sleep easy tonight.
It's spring, so it's spring cleaning.
Basically posts and everything else will return after they are reviewed. As people (individual posters) and the Temple, have to take formal responsibilities for these, they have to be brought to the standards as of today.
People have wrote things that would be highly concerning in the real world. A few have treated this place more than a venting chamber.
As one doesn't go to someone's house or work or anywhere, to say things that would put the person and the place in serious jeopardy, it should be the case above all things within the Temple.
We will update as we go.
What's abnormal is people treating the Temple and their own identity here as a dross chamber and come here only to exhume potentially damning things.
Desdemona_666
Active member
I had over 2000 messages. Now I have just under 900.
It felt a little sad to lose them all, but I imagine the messages have been deleted for a good reason.
It felt a little sad to lose them all, but I imagine the messages have been deleted for a good reason.
I have lost 12000 messages or something; we will evaluate again and see what is going on with these.
Of anyone, I am at the biggest "loss".
Patience and the boards will be clarified and this will also bring actual safety to people in all levels. That's important. You exist in reality. Reality's important.
Heimdall
Member
I understand now HPZM, after the fact.
I would've appreciated a "heads-up".
And what was wrong with my posts yesterday?
Safety of members, every individual and the Temple [everyone is a Zevist and we must protect them].
We are running blanket checks. Therefore, nobody should take it "personally".
We will update; for now, please be a little patient. The forums will be excellent soon and to the point all of you will be wonderful.
SagittariusA
New member
Я так понимаю, опасность никуда не исчезла, даже несмотря на то, что мы полностью покончили с политическим мусором и другими темами, привлекающими внимание системы Ехобора? Не знаю, в США якобы существует свобода слова и нет такой строгой цензуры и блокировки, как у нас в России сейчас. Просто немного непонятно, как кто-либо может представлять опасность для этого священного и охраняемого места.
Gladius
New member
616Taysha
Member
Yup, I had about 540 messages, but now? Around 300. Still, when I saw how many posts has HP ZM lost, it was about... 9 - 10k. SWEET ZEUS! 
But, then again, I always tell myself that the Mods and the Clergy know what they're doing, regardless whether I like it or not, so I have faith in them.
But, then again, I always tell myself that the Mods and the Clergy know what they're doing, regardless whether I like it or not, so I have faith in them.
SagittariusA
New member
Right. I actually embraced the ToZ changes quite quickly. But there’s a certain aspect of Gothic culture I just can’t let go of—it’s what led me down this path in the first place. I love Gothic culture: all that gloom, the atmosphere, the statue of Baphomet, black candles, and so much more. It’s not the main focus now, but I find it beautiful and relaxing. I hope that’s not forbidden? It’s like another part of my personality now.
Acolyte Of Pan 666
Active member
Zevism doesn't forbid any expression that doesn't fall under the 10 Pathologies. Your love for Gothic and dark themes are an expression of who you are and actually that's what's promoted.
Menis Therian
New member
Imagine me who was mainly drawn to this place because of politics and history. I am kind of shocked and confused about my beliefs as a zevist because I literally don't know what to believe anymore. I am feeling very suspicious, despite some good additions. My hope is that this is a fleeting moment and in one year or decade things will come back to "normal". The reason behind it is the clergy obsession with "legality" and "safety" that makes sense (in a way) in the screwed up clown world we are living in right now.
High Priestess Lydia Coventina
High Priestess
You are free to like whatever you want to like
We are not a cult that tells people they can't have their own interests in their life. And black candles have a purpose: https://templeofzeus.org/Candle.phpAs for the gloom and Gothic atmosphere, there is a beauty in it, and an emotional release. Goths are welcome here, as are all types of personalities. We have all kinds of personal styles here. Zevism welcomes everyone's unique identity (unless it is something depraved/illegal which is unhealthy for the soul).
We're just cleaning up the problematic posts, posts that treat our Temple like a dump (I was shocked by much of the garbage posted here over the years), and so on. We have had people who took out their rage and repression on us, and treated these forums like their personal deranged rant journal. Those posts were approved before, but we need to take this more seriously now that our Gods are becoming stronger within us.
Heimdall
Member
OK, I'm going to say this and then put the matter to rest.
In all fairness, you can't expect people to come hear posting months-years, and then delete a huge portion of that without proper notice. Some might've been aware of what was happening and knew why - I didn't!
I'm taking a leave of absence for a few weeks, but will still be keeping up my donations.
I wish everyone well, and will see you all again soon
In all fairness, you can't expect people to come hear posting months-years, and then delete a huge portion of that without proper notice. Some might've been aware of what was happening and knew why - I didn't!
I'm taking a leave of absence for a few weeks, but will still be keeping up my donations.
I wish everyone well, and will see you all again soon
չ∂αяквℓσω
Member
Hi High Priest, I wanted to know if the activism section will be permanently offline. Some of the guides they posted were very helpful, but it would be a shame if they were lost forever. Unfortunately, there's no "edit" option for old posts for us users. Thank you for your understanding
Kingfisher
Member
I am personally glad...I've been undergoing some very rapid personal changes myself, I really feel like I need to get rid of personal stuff that could obstruct my spiritual path. I've always cared deeply for this Place, but I've had a lot of problems in my life so my posts haven't always reflected this.
Don't our Gods deserve the best? Posts in these Forums should be at least somewhat edifying, helpful, or beautiful. And like I've pointed out before, the Clergy have proved Themselves. The meditations work (i no longer need faith for this, i know it is true). The spirituality make philosophical sense and increases understanding. The rituals work (and get stronger and stronger). The fact that the Clergy are treated with such paranoia, like they're newcomers with no track record, is quite ridiculous. It's OK to have a certain amount of rational trust, where such a thing is supported with reason and evidence. Take a deep breath.
Don't our Gods deserve the best? Posts in these Forums should be at least somewhat edifying, helpful, or beautiful. And like I've pointed out before, the Clergy have proved Themselves. The meditations work (i no longer need faith for this, i know it is true). The spirituality make philosophical sense and increases understanding. The rituals work (and get stronger and stronger). The fact that the Clergy are treated with such paranoia, like they're newcomers with no track record, is quite ridiculous. It's OK to have a certain amount of rational trust, where such a thing is supported with reason and evidence. Take a deep breath.
SagittariusA
New member
Я только что присоединился к англоязычному форуму. Не знаю, что здесь писали и что происходило в комментариях. На русскоязычном форуме обсуждения всегда тихие, а здесь, как я вижу, очень активно. Полагаю, было довольно много инцидентов? Я только начал пользоваться браузером с переводчиком, поэтому могу читать более-менее на своем родном языке. Я точно не знаю, что здесь происходило до реформ модерации, но мне казалось, что на форумах всегда была строгая модерация... Потому что у нас никогда (насколько я помню) не было спам-сообщений на форуме. (По крайней мере, я их не замечал).
MarsUltor666
Member
I think a lot of my posts have been removed, too. Actually, I can't even remember how many I had previously.
Anyway, it's perfectly fine. After all, a lot of the things I've said in the past, I wouldn't say, now. Especially in light of the recent changes and growth of the Temple.
Things got a bit "heated" in the moment back then, with regards to certain controversial topics, so I would say it's for the best. Time to move on.
Anyway, it's perfectly fine. After all, a lot of the things I've said in the past, I wouldn't say, now. Especially in light of the recent changes and growth of the Temple.
Things got a bit "heated" in the moment back then, with regards to certain controversial topics, so I would say it's for the best. Time to move on.
FancyMancy
Well-known member
Maybe you've seen any posts of mine. I tend to go hard on things, like attacking the jugular and spraying things with vinegar than with honey where you'd catch more flies. My argument style, if I think it suits any particular thing, is more polemic and rhetorical and hyperbolic. I can also do epistemic, as well, so I presume that's the greatest majority as to why I catch few flies when I do it. I seem to recall something before being mentioned about things being more professional and polite and proper here (if you'll excuse the alliteration), and now, as I said,
so "oh, for crying out aloud", but it's OK, actually. Also very often, llke practically all the time, I was wondering if I'd be banned or suspended for my polemicism and hyperbole especially, and possibly also my rhetoric - and to be honest, I could have gone a bit harder in my replies (if you've not seen many of my replies, then... well... it might be too late now!), but believe it or don't I actually did tone it down or held myself back.
To whomever relevant - great. AND! this is yet another coincidence. I've not posted before today for about maybe a couple of months. In this time, and slightly before, I've been working on things regarding my polemicism and rhetoric and hyperbole, to try to be more epistemic. Some of the old-time members know me quite well from my posts. Now that this change has happened, along with what I seem to remember from quite a while ago being said along the same lines... it's coinciding very well. Coincidentally, part of the bits about working on myself I didn't actually choose; I was more guided or pushed into it... and then I see this change. Also AND! during some of that, I remembered Black Sabbath's Changes and listened to it relevantly, because I actually am going through changes, and these changes regarding what I've been saying here seem to cover quite a bit of my life. Has there been some Magick being done? Was there a ritual for these changes? I'm certainly feeling it, and even if none were done - again - it seems like coincidences to me and for me.
I take it that I stand guilty of that. I won't deny it, either. I admit it - I tend to go for the jugular, be hard-hitting, polemic and rhetorical hyperbolic. As I've said, I'm - as far as I could tell, separately - working on being more epistemic and professional in my conduct. I know all of the sayings - "you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar" - but they don't do much. Fundamental change is necessary, rather than just cool-sounding quips and adages and maxims... and as for my replies in that other thread regarding the calendar - I think I just needed to express things and whatknot.You are free to like whatever you want to like
As for the gloom and Gothic atmosphere, there is a beauty in it, and an emotional release. Goths are welcome here, as are all types of personalities. We have all kinds of personal styles here. Zevism welcomes everyone's unique identity (unless it is something depraved/illegal which is unhealthy for the soul).
We're just cleaning up the problematic posts, posts that treat our Temple like a dump (I was shocked by much of the garbage posted here over the years), and so on. We have had people who took out their rage and repression on us, and treated these forums like their personal deranged rant journal. Those posts were approved before, but we need to take this more seriously now that our Gods are becoming stronger within us.
Also I notice that both you and @High Priest Zevios Metathronos changed your usernames. I was about to give a belated congrats to the username I didn't recognise!
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As for the content of my posts - if they are not epistemic and professional enough, then I'd be willing to edit them to be better. That wouldn't be a problem.
I don't decide the world, everyone. I decide on the Temple and the Gods for their sake, and yours as Zevists. As representator and guardian of the Community, I have to ensure safety, even when people might over-step on their own.
We live in a world where Meta can steal 80TB of people's data and works, and receive a slap in the wrist, while a poor person watching a movie online, can be called whatever.
That's the world, I did not make it. Injustice is prevailing in many areas.
With the above mindset, I cannot be blamed for the world we currently reside. You know personally, I am free speech absolutist. But you can see where we live. My opinion of the world, would be, except of explicit life threats and destructive things of the ultra caliber, everything would be allowed verbally. Only most serious deadly slander wouldn't be allowed; everything else people could talk openly about. As we can see, even in the West, much of it is a delusion.
That's another reason for the ToZ to evolve, so people can have more freedom than today. That's up to us. The game now is as is in the world.
We live in a world where Meta can steal 80TB of people's data and works, and receive a slap in the wrist, while a poor person watching a movie online, can be called whatever.
That's the world, I did not make it. Injustice is prevailing in many areas.
With the above mindset, I cannot be blamed for the world we currently reside. You know personally, I am free speech absolutist. But you can see where we live. My opinion of the world, would be, except of explicit life threats and destructive things of the ultra caliber, everything would be allowed verbally. Only most serious deadly slander wouldn't be allowed; everything else people could talk openly about. As we can see, even in the West, much of it is a delusion.
That's another reason for the ToZ to evolve, so people can have more freedom than today. That's up to us. The game now is as is in the world.
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Hrodrik Avernus [SG]
Temple of Zeus Guardian
OK, I'm going to say this and then put the matter to rest.
In all fairness, you can't expect people to come hear posting months-years, and then delete a huge portion of that without proper notice. Some might've been aware of what was happening and knew why - I didn't!
I'm taking a leave of absence for a few weeks, but will still be keeping up my donations.
I wish everyone well, and will see you all again soon
Posts were removed because they had no place in what the ToZ is or what the ToZ stands for...
If anyone is upset that material they liked is gone, that says more about what they were here for than it does about our moderation. We are not going to apologize for cleaning the house and keeping everyone safe here. We are not going to consult thousands of people before doing it again. And we are absolutely not going to leave material up that has no business being here, just because someone got attached to it being there...
What was removed was removed because it should never have been here in the first place. That is a failure we are correcting now. Nobody owes anyone advance notice for taking out content that disgraces the name of this Temple.
Bluecollarbutch666
Well-known member
I noticed that a recent post of mine was also removed. I don't agree with it personally, and i did write somethings that also deserved to be heard. I am all for the forum cleaning up, but not to the point of politically correct sensorship to where everyone is offended by everything
ModernMage
Member
I think the approach is the biggest issue here. Besides the post Alexandros had a more formal announcement saying “hey we are doing this for this reason and this isn’t allowed anymore for this reason.”
My life has been dramatically getting better doing the god rituals but having found this place as a teenager and having to hide it for more than a decade the changes are a huge shock to my ego. From the get go it did the one thing in a world full of lies, told the truth. What many have built as truth stemming from the knowledge here is being challenged and it’s a lot to handle at once.
Dypet Rod
Member
Those who will get it, will get it.
Those who don't, just meditate a bit upon the matter - think of the way certain past individuals were treated publicly.
People like the infamous ZLS and her fake digital "paintings", for example.
Think of how many times this has happened.
In today's world, in any physical environment, you don't get to treat people like that and just get away with it. It leads to serious consequences.
Adjusting to the world is a necessary evil if we want our Temple to survive and grow to have the means to elevate the Gods to the glory where they rightfully belong - and thus really prove ourselves.
It is not our Temple that is dark - it's the current world that is.
I hope posting this will not defeat the purpose. I just think sharing some of my thoughts can help people digest the matter more easily.
Those who don't, just meditate a bit upon the matter - think of the way certain past individuals were treated publicly.
People like the infamous ZLS and her fake digital "paintings", for example.
Think of how many times this has happened.
In today's world, in any physical environment, you don't get to treat people like that and just get away with it. It leads to serious consequences.
Adjusting to the world is a necessary evil if we want our Temple to survive and grow to have the means to elevate the Gods to the glory where they rightfully belong - and thus really prove ourselves.
It is not our Temple that is dark - it's the current world that is.
I hope posting this will not defeat the purpose. I just think sharing some of my thoughts can help people digest the matter more easily.
Heimdall
Member
I really wanted to take time out, mediate and reflect about the matter, but I'll be damned if I walk away with my tail between my legs when "people" are throwing hubris barbs in my direction.
I again repeat the question I asked of HPZM: what was wrong with my 3 posts on Saturday?
Furthermore, I respect your title [SG] and position in ToZ, and I'm sure you do great work for the Temple, but how often do you post in the main forum?
I'm only a newly made up member, but I have a place and worth, both here and with the Gods.
We are not mindless drones that go beep-beep and then hurry off to do the master's bidding. What's wrong with putting clear notice of these things in clergy sermons? I read the sermon by Priest Alexandros Iowno (Moderation), but it was too vague and didn't clearly explain the pending changes.
I've been heavily meditating lately, and I got the unmistakable impression that ToZ is on a slippery slope with these changes. I'm not saying it's going to happen now, but there will come a time with the current trend that members will start to become paranoid and start second guessing everything they post, until it gets to the stage when they simply will give up and stop posting - you see where I'm going with this?
I'm sorry if I opened a can of worms with my original post, but I truly believed I had just cause, and still do.
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Hidden Warrior [SG]
Member
Priest Alexandros already stated what was going to happen, and High Priest Zevios Metathronos is continuously writing in many posts that we need to uplift this place and remove dangerous content that will never allow the spread of the Temple in the real world.
Let's all thank the Gods that now we have Heimdall, that meditate heavily and that has no doubts about the slipper slope ToZ is taking. I really wonder what the Clergy have been doing to not understand the critical implications of these changes. Quick, let's roll back everything and allow every trash content to be dumped in this Sacred Place.
I mean, do people really think that the Clergy, Moderators, and every soul that his helping in this cleanup is doing so only because they don't have anything else to do? We have members here that are putting their time every single day because they love the Gods and this Temple, which is the only place in this world where They are represented with sacredness and love.
Cleanup is happening, posts may be removed if the content is not fit. There's nothing else to explain.
There are many forums out there if people want to talk about everything without filters. Go to Reddit.
This place is for those who seek spiritual evolution and connection with the Gods.
Acolyte Of Pan 666
Active member
To prevent people from second guessing if their post is allowed or not, a list could be made that says what is or is not allowed to be posted. Most forums have these rules on their homepage. It gives clarity on what can be said and what cannot.
SagittariusA
New member
I hope that sooner or later the external evil of Yehubor will be eradicated. We must do everything we can to ensure our safety. But it is this whole Yehubor system that is the source of the danger... In any case, this place must be protected by the Gods. And the protection of the Gods is stronger than any pol*tical or other earthly power. In any case, I would ask that you explain what is wrong and why it is wrong with the posts, so that people can understand their mistakes and correct them. (Well, there is no question that dangerous and offensive content needs to be removed.)
Heimdall
Member
Wow, that's the best example of circumlocution I've seen in some time - answer the question!
Nikólaos666
Active member
I have answered the question on the chat saturday. There was an update to the forum, many messages that were written on this day, were delete. It happen before and will happen each time the forum will get updated.
It happens before, Priest wrote a message that some message would be deleted due the update, it was your case.
Kingfisher
Member
I personally think that a lot of people's sensitivity regarding this issue stems from our social backgrounds. Many of us were previously excluded by "mainstream" people and were talked over/put down because our ideas didn't perfectly sync with social norms. Just keep in mind that this is not your past. This isn't about putting people down on the basis of social norms. On the contrary, it's a constructive thing, done lovingly in the service of a broader goal, so that our spiritual message may be better heard and our voice may grow.
Expressing like animals doesn't mean one says the truth; it means on the contrary, one cannot even manage their own expression.
Saying "fuck this, fuck that, vermin pope" and related, is not more truthful than saying something in proper language. One could say insidious.
Have to hide what, the Gods? Why should the Gods hide? This is the ultimate false admission of evil and failure; it's the work of the enemy that the Gods were to be misperceived. All their campaign was to misperceive the Gods, keep them out of society, and pretend all their believers were insane and/or to be socially ostracized, while the Bible which preaches genocidal mania, is actually a "Good book that deserves everyone's attention".
The persecution of the Gods was the creation of those against them, should people behave in ways that adopt and further this persecution? That's doing the enemy's work for them.
Practically speaking, there's no change in that people can make themselves outcasted if they want. Now, people are more unique than before. Of lesser people, the planet is rife; people can stand out in more fruitful ways now than before.
That's only for emo reasons and not even real. For one to bring the Gods into persecution and persecution supported narratives, and simultaneously say they want them to be where they deserve, is antithetical.
To be irrelevant and to not exist, does not equal in any progress. Truth is not validated simply because people dislike someone or because one is marginalized and emo, that doesn't make someone more real, it makes someone more distanced from the Gods, and the Gods more distanced even from mankind.
616Taysha
Member
@Heimdall I was once kicked out from a gaming forum for violating some rules - got overzealous as the devs were promising tons, but delivering nothing.
In an official mail they quoted tons of rules and wrote explanations as to why they are perma-banning me.
After reading some of them, I simply skimmed the remaining 70% as they were IRRELEVANT ('thou shalt not question devs thy gods'). I got perma-banned, so who cares (and it was a GAMING forum, so that's even better - bye bye needless drama).
What I'm saying is - you might not even bother reading the rules, as many of us here don't. We just click "Accept" and we're in. Also, the said gaming forum employs people, i.e. they are paid to moderate forums. Here, we pay with our time and dedication.
Check those ToZ rules - maybe you yourself will find the illumination you're looking for.
The only communities online where you can say all the negative things, are either honeypots like 4chan or related trash communities.
Hubris means to disrespect the Gods and to experience Nemesis as a result. To disagree with you, is not hubris, you just perceive it as such because of over-reaching egoism.
If you are a new member, the complaints and what you consider a "crisis", cannot be valued as a crisis. There's no criteria for one to logically evaluate a crisis or whatever "serious offense" if there isn't one.
Further, undermining of one's self and public identity, happens strongly when one doesn't give a thought to their own words. When this moves past a point and enters the sphere where what one says, can be harmful to the Temple, it's not allowed.
Not even in MacDonalds one is allowed to have tantrums where people had here, of all places, in the Temple. Even MacDonalds if you go around and you harass people and/or issue empty threats and say whatever, they can get you out. Such tantrums and statements would get you kicked and/or restrained in MacDonalds and the security would escort you out. In the case of the Temple, it's apparently at least a few layers above MacDonalds.
If people want to treat this place like MacDonalds or something similar, the Temple should no longer bear injury by this and/or tolerate it. One shouldn't even tolerate this for themselves. Yet while the pseudo-anonymity helps many of you have the delusion of freedom, the face of the Temple is real, and as one must not stain the Gods, they cannot stain the Temple's reputation.
Your rights to freedom of expression in public places also have to do with the rights of expressions of others. Even in the United States if you go around telling every passer-by "fuck you", issuing threats, and overall doing certain wrongful applications of "Free Speech", there are penalties involved.
If the Temple cannot express itself and/or exist, because someone just considers their "Individual freedom" (aka vehement posting) as above the freedom of the Gods to exist, or the Temple's reputation, they should leave the asinine argumentation about "The Gods" to the side. This involves only one's ego and not the Gods or the collective efforts.
If people can't comprehend they can't treat this place lesser than MacDonalds and launch internal reputation and/or other attacks to the Temple which reflect upon the Gods, through wrongfully positioned approaches, one must return to the basics of respecting the Gods and their House, and leave the larger "Free Speech Charter" for later empty argumentation.
Renita
Member
This update is very important, and I highly appreciate the Clergy taking the time to protect not only the Temple of the Gods but all the members from ill-will.
This update further proves that this isn't just another religious website, but a strong community with deep reverence and respect for one another. We must all move past limiting connections such as politics and ideologies that do us no good in truly bringing the Gods to their glory.
Thank you to the clergy and all the working members who made this update happen, HAIL ZEUS!
This update further proves that this isn't just another religious website, but a strong community with deep reverence and respect for one another. We must all move past limiting connections such as politics and ideologies that do us no good in truly bringing the Gods to their glory.
Thank you to the clergy and all the working members who made this update happen, HAIL ZEUS!
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