What does everyone here think about vegetarianism?
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Nymphaea
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Zevists and the Gods care very much about animals, I might not be the most qualified to speak on this topic as I'm not a nutritionist but I do think diet is a personal choice... Veganism can be dangerous because people can get nutrient deficiencies and impaired physical and cognitive functions. I think everyone wants all the animals to be happy and this comes when we take care of them and their environments (not raise chickens in batteries and livestock must live in clean conditions, etc).
My understanding is that meat is very good to have in our diets, our pets eat meat and so do the carnivore animals. We must treat all life respectfully and eat in moderation.
We have to be strong and healthy so we have to take care of our minds and bodies - Eggs and milk are a good source of protein which our bodies need to build and maintain muscle, low muscle percentage can lead to dementia and frailty. It's best to have a well-rounded diet that helps you feel full and energized.
My understanding is that meat is very good to have in our diets, our pets eat meat and so do the carnivore animals. We must treat all life respectfully and eat in moderation.
We have to be strong and healthy so we have to take care of our minds and bodies - Eggs and milk are a good source of protein which our bodies need to build and maintain muscle, low muscle percentage can lead to dementia and frailty. It's best to have a well-rounded diet that helps you feel full and energized.
Asra
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I don't know how you came to the conclusion that killing for food is unfair. This and self-defence are by far the most justified reasons to kill. You also seem to forget that animals kill each other too, it's not "us humans". Any carnivore on Earth needs to kill to survive, otherwise, even if the prey lives, the predator dies. 1 death still occurs, so I can't understand your point.
Acolyte Of Pan 666
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I suggest you read the whole thing but for the Zevist/Pagan way of killing animals and eating meat, it starts at the end of page 3. In short, it's to be done out of necessity and in a humane fashion as animals are sacred to the Gods.
You could be a vegetarian, eat eggs and milk and not suffer any defiencies if that's what you prefer. Veganism and especially fruitarianism is where it starts going too far healthwise.
carolinée
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I am not vegan. I consume eggs and dairy products.
carolinée
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Ok, bro
carolinée
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I don't know. The animal slaughter festival in Arab countries and what is done to animals on farms really upsets me.
carolinée
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I don't think being vegan is right. Eating only fruit is harmful to human health. I eat eggs and milk. I eat meat. But I eat meat dishes because my family forces me to. When I establish my own life, I plan to become vegetarian.
Acolyte Of Pan 666
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It’s perfectly fine to be vegetarian if that’s your preference. It can be done in a healthy way unlike veganism.
However we are allowed to kill animals for food. Zevism places no dietary restrictions. It’s not really unfair.
carolinée
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I read the articles. Thank you for your help with this matter.
Nikólaos666
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Cannibalism is when an invidual eats one of his own specie. I don’t know if you have observed nature, but many animals are carnivore.
carolinée
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I will research this topic in detail. Thank bro
Night Sky
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Animals kill each other more than we kill them. Many of the animals we consume wouldn't even grow to the size they do if humans didn't raise them for food. We too are part of nature, and nature's laws—harsh as they may be—apply to us as well. Refusing meat can lead to nutritional harm, and many vegan influencers have died from health complications linked to their restrictive diets. Furthermore, the argument that veganism is cruelty-free is flawed. Plants are also living beings with biological responses to harm. They sense and react to threats and damage. Therefore, even a plant-based diet involves taking life.
616Taysha
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Could the Mods please purify the Forum off of this dross? I mean this caroline user, who you so gracefully banned - for which I am grateful to you - and whose sole aim was to artificially inflate the amount of posts?
(you don't even need to post this very message - it is just to ask you about this, as we've recently been having an influx of 'new' people, some of whom I don't believe are new, but rather old trolls making other accounts to spread their filth.)
Thank you in advance for your perseverance!
(you don't even need to post this very message - it is just to ask you about this, as we've recently been having an influx of 'new' people, some of whom I don't believe are new, but rather old trolls making other accounts to spread their filth.)
Thank you in advance for your perseverance!
Desdemona_666
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Factory farming, is arguably one of the biggest moral failures of humanity. The history will look upon billions of animals being treated worse than even a luggage at some airports and wonder "how in the world could they do this?". Humans talk about sentience in the machines, yet we cannot even recognize and acknowledge the sentience that has been with us since the dawn of time.I don't know. The animal slaughter festival in Arab countries and what is done to animals on farms really upsets me.
But regardless of that sad and utterly disappointing fact, we are still omnivores and thrive the best on a diet consisting of both animal and plant products. And also, dietary preferences are yours to make. Zevism imposes no dietary laws.
Hierothronos
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Meat is needed for growth, this is also specified in the Vedic texts.
Vegeterianism among yogis is a modern corruption.
Cuting the meat out of the diet also have metaphysical effects, and makes you weaker.
So to be healty and strong, meat is needed among your diet.
Vegeterianism among yogis is a modern corruption.
Cuting the meat out of the diet also have metaphysical effects, and makes you weaker.
So to be healty and strong, meat is needed among your diet.
Edward Lonsa
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Greetings!
Truth being told, animals in wild nature live horrible lives, they are torn apart and eaten alive by other animals but the worst thing is long tormenting death of disease that is inevitable in the old age. As well as humans they have diseases, parasites, physical and psychological traumas and even psychic diseases. Humans possess higher technology to heal these in them or to grant them euthanasia which relieves a lot of their pain. Humans domesticating them and creating artificial good life for them is an act of great mercy as well as easy quick death in the comfortable age by our knife comparing to torture of long unable elderly life in jungle.
What you propose is not domesticating meet providing animals. This would have created endless thousand of years of them living in jungle, torn apart, eaten alive and tortured to death by diseases and parasites on their own instead of what we created for them or at least what we tried to create. These 2 thousands years of xianity left many scars in them because of how they were treated. But our Ancestors intended to create paradise life for them in return to their meet. So I think from the standpoint of the animal their life with us is great luck and mercy from our part. They would plead us to be our food to eternity. I on their place would.
Hierothronos
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There are also specific created animals designed to be cattle and later food, with very low awareness.
These comes from the Gods.
Chickens are an example.
Also the animals such as the wild ones don't percieve things in the same way you or another human would.
Every specie is different and have their own biological design and ways to approach life, death, reincarnation, mating, ecc...
Certain animals as traits have things that are horrible for humans to do.
Male crocodiles hunts down baby crocodiles for food.
You can't just humanely be empathic with them, like you would do with other humans.
DreamWolf
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New member here, greetings everyone!
Wonderfully thought provoking words, indeed there are so many things provided for animals kept in proper affectionate conditions, compared to the utterly miserable struggles they have to face under natural conditions!
I say this even as a stark ardent vegetarian! Granted, animals are mostly killed at a young age for more preferred meat quality (of course in nature even babies are targeted as easy catches aye), and I myself wish nobody ever ate meat... But being killed by someone trying their damnedest to do it as humanely as possible sure beats getting torn apart by some predator aye!
I actually heard this very intriguing notion once that prey caught by predators go into some kind of numbed state where they actually don't feel as much physically or mentally/emotionally because of the shock... Right away thought of car crash victims reporting zero pain or distress because of their shock state, of course I wouldn't be able to tell though just how accurate that animal point of view description is aye, probably the closest we'd get to the truth is through human reports of similar experiences aye!
By the way, I'd love to hear if anyone here is aware of scientific studies going past the notion of this chart I saw describing why human bodies are not made to digest meat aye... I'm saying it out of genuine curiosity...
Another interesting thing I heard is that milk is the only thing that contains this I forgot now what thing the grey matter in our brain needs, also, breast milk, the straight, unpasteurized type of milk in all mammals I guess, contains cannabinoids! I guess baby humans and critters get stoned when they're "milk drunk" aye ahaha... Said to make babies hungrier while nursing to take in more, and calmer afterwards! (Also heard that doing weed while pregnant, the healthiest form of intake being especially the eaten from, makes babies born more developed... Fascinating notions!)
But aye, if vegetarianism was that crappy people in India would die all over the place aye ahaha... (I think vegetarian Indian cooking is the most blissful, glorious damn cuisine in the world ahahahaha... Am originally from Hungary by the way, wasn't raised on it but sure think about learning more Indian recipes!)
I think it's at least headways, culturally speaking, that people have become more aware of the awful treatment of critters kept for meat, being a huge first step towards a change for the better...
Wonderfully thought provoking words, indeed there are so many things provided for animals kept in proper affectionate conditions, compared to the utterly miserable struggles they have to face under natural conditions!
I say this even as a stark ardent vegetarian! Granted, animals are mostly killed at a young age for more preferred meat quality (of course in nature even babies are targeted as easy catches aye), and I myself wish nobody ever ate meat... But being killed by someone trying their damnedest to do it as humanely as possible sure beats getting torn apart by some predator aye!
I actually heard this very intriguing notion once that prey caught by predators go into some kind of numbed state where they actually don't feel as much physically or mentally/emotionally because of the shock... Right away thought of car crash victims reporting zero pain or distress because of their shock state, of course I wouldn't be able to tell though just how accurate that animal point of view description is aye, probably the closest we'd get to the truth is through human reports of similar experiences aye!
By the way, I'd love to hear if anyone here is aware of scientific studies going past the notion of this chart I saw describing why human bodies are not made to digest meat aye... I'm saying it out of genuine curiosity...
Another interesting thing I heard is that milk is the only thing that contains this I forgot now what thing the grey matter in our brain needs, also, breast milk, the straight, unpasteurized type of milk in all mammals I guess, contains cannabinoids! I guess baby humans and critters get stoned when they're "milk drunk" aye ahaha... Said to make babies hungrier while nursing to take in more, and calmer afterwards! (Also heard that doing weed while pregnant, the healthiest form of intake being especially the eaten from, makes babies born more developed... Fascinating notions!)
But aye, if vegetarianism was that crappy people in India would die all over the place aye ahaha... (I think vegetarian Indian cooking is the most blissful, glorious damn cuisine in the world ahahahaha... Am originally from Hungary by the way, wasn't raised on it but sure think about learning more Indian recipes!)
I think it's at least headways, culturally speaking, that people have become more aware of the awful treatment of critters kept for meat, being a huge first step towards a change for the better...
Desdemona_666
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There are two factors to consider here when speaking about an animal in the wild meeting its end in the teeth and claws of the predator, and a farmed animal living its entire life in horrible condition before being taken to a slaughterhouse to be killed.
An animal in the wild that is being preyed upon usually lives its life as it sees fit, until it becomes a target. When that day comes, it's usually a surprise, resulting in an adrenaline rush, fight or run for its life until it either escapes or is killed by a predator.
Today (used to be better in the past), a farmed animal spends almost entire life in horrible conditions that I cannot even begin to describe here. On top of horrendous living conditions, it's what is done to these animals as well, calves being dehorned without any anesthetics, chicks being debeaked, piglets having their tails cut off...many horrible things to make animals more compliant with living in absolutely horrendous conditions. All of those can cause chronic, lifelong pain.
Then, when this life of absolutely pitiful existence comes to an end (not a natural end, farm animals are killed at a fraction of their natural lifespan), they are shipped over to the slaughterhouse, once again in a cramped truck trailer (you might have seen these trucks while you were driving, almost every single one of them has slaughterhouse as a destination, animals are rarely moved like this for other reasons).
When they arrive at the slaughterhouse, it's nothing like being about to be attacked by a predator in the wild. They usually are rounded up, go through a narrow passage to the kill floor where they are stunned usually with bolt guns, (and these can and do fail, requiring multiple shots), electricity (not flawless either, sometimes it just paralyzes rather than stuns) or gas chambers (which are CO2 and cause immense suffering due to how CO2 acts, causing gasping for air, airways burning, and panic similar to drowning). Then, when they are stunned, they have their throats slit. Sometimes they are even still alive at this point, because sometimes when stunning fails, workers will just not bother again. This is the final step that is supposed to cause fast death, but sometimes even after they have their throats slit or stuck, they can still remain conscious for up to a minute or more, which is displayed by some obvious signs such as writhing, raising their heads on a hoist line and looking around, tail wagging, etc. It was previously believed these are all unconscious body movements, but the recent evidence suggests the animal is very likely conscious and aware at these stages.
There is much more horror that I omitted to avoid making this into a full blown essay instead of just one simple forum post. Yehuboric methods of slaughter are in whole other league of cruelty, they don't even bother with stunning for example.
And regarding labels such as "cruelty-free", "free range", "humane slaughter"...etc. These are all sounding good and noble, but in practice, 99 percent of the meat, dairy and eggs on the market today come from the above described factory farms and slaughterhouses.
So, in closing, if I had to be an animal and someone let me choose, I think I would pick living in the wild. After all, there's some chance of survival. Not every wild animal will meet its end as a prey. On a farm, there's close to 0 chance of survival for most of the animals (excluding some like horses, but even aversion to horse meat is mainly a Western thing, it's not universal). You will be killed, either for food or because you are not useful anymore (such as spent egg laying hens, male calves...etc).
(Disclaimer: this post does not serve to convert anyone, make someone stop eating meat, or whatever. Do not get an idea that I am trying to promote veganism here or such).
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Ayleth [TG]
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We can choose to eat or not eat animals, or follow specific diets as we wish. Are you a vegetarian with no deficiencies or illnesses, and able to live this lifestyle healthily? That is amazing, continue if you feel it is beneficial. However, health is not something to be be played with.
We can quote scientific studies all day long, and there will still be debatable statements in all of them. What HG Blitzkreig recently posted here about - "epistemology", which is how a system decides what counts as valid knowledge in the first place - applies.
I am going to say a few things, since I was raised in a vegetarian household (20+ years) and have seen a lot of self-hate among vegetarians and vegans. As a child, I was made and told to imagine the pain of animals when they were killed. Being empathetic and having a parent tell you that repeatedly is not something that makes you stronger or a sane person.
All this obsession with eating and strict rules can take up time and mental energy that could be put toward goals or a better existence. See the basic nutritional rules, find how to eat consciously and you'll be fine. The most issues are with all the additives, oils and sugars, not meat itself.
If we look at a traditional household farm, we see that milking cows and getting eggs from chickens are not harming them in any way. Similarly, eating a chicken during winter, when resources are scarce, is not something to condemn. Civilization was built by humans who ate meat. What should we choose, feeding a family with chicken soup that takes only a few hours to make, or hoping winter fields will somehow produce more crops? Also, an athlete cannot be vegetarian, they will most likely faint or have serious health issues.
Some animals and technologies were given to us by the Gods so we can advance and be at a higher level of existence. This includes the way factory farming and the food industry is done nowadays. We can improve this. There is a lot of waste and many inhumane practices involved in killing animals for food.
Zevists who feel strongly about this and pursue it as a career path can become powerful forces in shaping policies and practices.
This is wrong. You cannot compare the chemical components of breast milk, which is produced internally through biological processes specifically designed for babies, to weed. One is naturally produced by the body for babies at specific periods, the other is an external psychoactive drug.
Weed has more downsides than benefits. Do not do any drugs, they are harmful.
We can quote scientific studies all day long, and there will still be debatable statements in all of them. What HG Blitzkreig recently posted here about - "epistemology", which is how a system decides what counts as valid knowledge in the first place - applies.
I am going to say a few things, since I was raised in a vegetarian household (20+ years) and have seen a lot of self-hate among vegetarians and vegans. As a child, I was made and told to imagine the pain of animals when they were killed. Being empathetic and having a parent tell you that repeatedly is not something that makes you stronger or a sane person.
All this obsession with eating and strict rules can take up time and mental energy that could be put toward goals or a better existence. See the basic nutritional rules, find how to eat consciously and you'll be fine. The most issues are with all the additives, oils and sugars, not meat itself.
If we look at a traditional household farm, we see that milking cows and getting eggs from chickens are not harming them in any way. Similarly, eating a chicken during winter, when resources are scarce, is not something to condemn. Civilization was built by humans who ate meat. What should we choose, feeding a family with chicken soup that takes only a few hours to make, or hoping winter fields will somehow produce more crops? Also, an athlete cannot be vegetarian, they will most likely faint or have serious health issues.
Some animals and technologies were given to us by the Gods so we can advance and be at a higher level of existence. This includes the way factory farming and the food industry is done nowadays. We can improve this. There is a lot of waste and many inhumane practices involved in killing animals for food.
Zevists who feel strongly about this and pursue it as a career path can become powerful forces in shaping policies and practices.
This is wrong. You cannot compare the chemical components of breast milk, which is produced internally through biological processes specifically designed for babies, to weed. One is naturally produced by the body for babies at specific periods, the other is an external psychoactive drug.
Weed has more downsides than benefits. Do not do any drugs, they are harmful.
DreamWolf
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Indeed, I remember reading an impeccable, incredibly detailed article once that Indians having health issues comes from diverting from traditional Ayurvedic cooking, food is medicine after all aye...
I've heard about thriving vegan athletes though, and pujaris moving massive Deities at Jagannath Puri Dam, although indeed one really can't complain living on all them lavishing paneer Prashadam dishes aye ahaha...
Emergent13
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DreamWolf
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Uhm... Honestly...? Again, for example people in India would be dyin out left and right if they were that severely deficient aye... I'm from a Krishna conscious background and believe me, there wasn't a single devotee of the hundreds around me at the temples complaining of any bad health with their lifelong Prashadatarian diet aye... (That's a sattvic lacto-vegetarian diet aye... So no alliums or mycelia, of course no meat or eggs or any other dead critter stuffs aye...) Ayurvedic Prashadatarian diet is the healthiest damn thing I've ever found, and been in relationships with two elderly devotees who were huuuuuuggge on nutrition aye! Actually the human body doesn't have the acidity or short enough digestive tract, or the enzymes, to completely break down meat, it's parasites doing much of the grunt work if I recall right?
Of course if am wrong on any of the above please do correct me people, it's not like I work in a lab or the like aye ahaha...
It saddens me by the way just how fierce these pro- and anti-vegetarianism discussions get, I guess it'll always be people believing one side or the other to be the right one, and having personal sentiments aye...
Mine is that I get so shaken by animal suffering I wish I had the guts to commit suicide right on the spot! Moments like witnessing some of it make me wish the entire universe and all existence collapsed, just so all the suffering would cease at last...
I often regret joining these conversations, I'm always just left in dread feeling crazy things like all the fierce pro animal eaters just don't give a damn and would even kick into those critters as they're getting butchered half alive still, writhing for their damn life...
I knew a vegan activist mom who snuck into slaughter houses to video things... No way on Earth I'd ever be able to do that man...!!! I'd probably have permeant mental breakdown aye...
I wish people had a more tender heart... More affectionate... More caring for those defenseless...
Of course if am wrong on any of the above please do correct me people, it's not like I work in a lab or the like aye ahaha...
It saddens me by the way just how fierce these pro- and anti-vegetarianism discussions get, I guess it'll always be people believing one side or the other to be the right one, and having personal sentiments aye...
Mine is that I get so shaken by animal suffering I wish I had the guts to commit suicide right on the spot! Moments like witnessing some of it make me wish the entire universe and all existence collapsed, just so all the suffering would cease at last...
I often regret joining these conversations, I'm always just left in dread feeling crazy things like all the fierce pro animal eaters just don't give a damn and would even kick into those critters as they're getting butchered half alive still, writhing for their damn life...
I knew a vegan activist mom who snuck into slaughter houses to video things... No way on Earth I'd ever be able to do that man...!!! I'd probably have permeant mental breakdown aye...
I wish people had a more tender heart... More affectionate... More caring for those defenseless...
High Priestess Lydia Coventina
High Priestess
Instead of pathetically wishing for your own death, you should wish to grow closer to our Gods and advance yourself so you can do more use in the world. The more power we have, the more we can fix these problems. The Gods want us to become strong, not weak and wishing for death instead of trying to improve the world in some way.
And we are supposed to eat animals in general. The reality is, they are going to die of old age or disease anyway. We should instead give them humane lives, then consume at the correct time, instead of having them become feeble or diseased and wasting away.
Your food preferences are your own, but we do not push enemy agendas here such as vegetarianism. You can be this is you wish, but do not push it on others. Vegetarianism/veganism is pushed by the enemy to weaken us.
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Recycler1337
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It's your personal choice.It's scientifically proven that humans require protein in large quantities, especially growing organisms, to develop and function normally.The conditions in which animals are kept are HORRIBLE, and they MUST be changed – conditions should be as close to real ones, and slaughter should be as painless as possible.Giving up meat would be a mistake. In my opinion, animals don't live forever – if they aren't killed and eaten, they will die painfully of old age, other animals, or disease. Death will come for them anyway.
Desdemona_666
Active member
Yes, High Priestess, this is exactly about growing closer to Gods and aligning ourselves with the divine principles. Does anyone here think the Gods would do to farm animals what we are doing today? Me personally, I don't think so.
We have the Gods and the Goddesses who are "protectors of animals". Would the Gods and the Goddesses look upon the absolute horror of treatment of farm animals today and say "yeah, this all looks fine and dandy to me, carry on"? Not sure...
We must, and should do better. Yes, we have been given the power and dominion over all lifeforms on this planet. But as the old adage goes, "with great power comes great responsibility" and I think we severely lack the latter.
DreamWolf
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That is so beautifully said, well, I guess even pathetic ole me must have a chance if Father Satan has so lovingly taken me under His wings aye... *sigh*
I honestly am relieved though that there are no specific dietary restrictions here... I went back to meat eating once and seriously regretted it when I became a vegetarian again... I've actually been in a total turmoil for days now since I joined this conversation hearing we're supposed to eat animals, just crying day and night... I for example wouldn't be able to just approach them and hurt them just to eat them... I remember hearing how dogs have the psychological makeup roughly equivalent to a nine year old child's... Many animals are killed by humans at a young age, and... Well, I wouldn't want human kids attacked for any reason, neither animals... I even considered going pranaist, as in, sustaining solely on prana, where you literally don't eat or drink anything, some people do it, there's this dude back in Hungary famous for it for example...
I mean, it's been easy while I was a years long Krishna devotee cause souls from beings offered as food stuffs would get the Mercy, but now that am here, even the plants we consume are not described to receive Shukriti? I'm still confused aye... *sigh*
Are there any here well versed in Sanatan Dharma to ask about these things?
High Priestess Lydia Coventina
High Priestess
Prana is in food and water.
DreamWolf
New member
I mean as in living off of prana without food and water aye... But that was back around the time I encountered Krishna Consciousness so the notion of jivas in the plant and cow bodies getting all that Shukriti sounded way better aye...
Ayleth [TG]
Moderator
Relative to how there are levels to human life this is the same for animals. Some are more aware than others. You cannot compare that easily the consciousness of a dog/cat to a chicken.
It was very hard for me to accept this, eating meat and understanding that this is normal and okay for us to do. I was at a point where I was feeling really weak and had no energy. Meditation wasn’t as fulfilling because I wasn’t nourishing my body enough to comprehend and understand what was happening.
Do not force yourself or create trauma out of this, keep reading Clergy's sermons, do meditations and get close to the Gods.
DreamWolf
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I really appreciate thine kind words, it really means a lot to me because, well, for example I lived on a farm for a couple years once and it was a no kill farm and let me tell you... Yes, I lived on farms where the critters got killed too... They can be very emotional too... Actually had chickens too where I was seeing all kinds of behavior people don't ascribe to them... Even critters as tiny as a parakeet tend to die when a mate is suddenly gone, out of heartbreak... For example on one farm a sow got killed by the owner's decision because she stopped being able to have babies, and her mate remained heartbroken, never even having received a new mate, constantly seeking company from me... Had for example a rooster with such a tender and caring personality, always protecting and finding treats for the hens and babies, beating up the other pissant roosters raping the hens left and right... (That was on the no kill farm where even the owner told us with the guy I lived with to kill all those roosters so only ours would remain because he was so kind...) I really have an extremely hard time trying to separate them based on awareness level, for example my sister had a pet rat who had such a shy, clingy and tender personality...
It does give me comfort that Father Satan is not judgemental about my soft heart... I've had so many people telling me that I need to stop being such a bleeding heart, and hey, it's actually my forte as a mother, if I had the energy I'd get back to my passion of trying to help and uplift people too, I spent years always hunting for people who were down so that I could try to get them back on their feet emotionally aye...
I'm actually thinking about not following this thread anymore because let me tell you, I've dealt with so many people considered harsh by now, it has made me realize that being sensitive actually is the feedback system to remind one not to be awful to others... Every time I see someone not even feeling sorry for those miserable creatures just gets me alarmed and wanting to run the other way...
But then am just one more person trying to do things on my own instead of asking questions when unsure aye...
For example I came here to find answers to a million questions, but I always worry that people would find them ridiculous... But don't wanna be one of those people who keep dwelling in the wrong assumptions aye... *sigh*
I guess it might be a worthy investment to start asking them? Or give this forum a break and just focus on things alone... Damn me if I know... *sigh*
Ayleth [TG]
Moderator
I think it's always good to ask questions, it benefits others too. This is one way we can be guided by our GD and the Gods. Someone might send a sermon reminder, or a higher-up Zevist can answe, or the answer may arise through reflection. It’s a two-way street: we ask, but we also try to figure things out on our own... to see reality and advance. The Virtues & Ethics also help a lot.
Heads up: a soft heart can be made strong in its own way
Head Guardian Sophiles Phylax
Head of Community
If there is too much focus on the "end point" of life, such as damage or death, this pulls focus away from the start of life, which is the birth and creative nurturing. Both exist together as a cycle that balance each other. This is how we emotionally process negative things, not by trying to either ignore or excessively sense the negative, but by remembering the full cycle at play, learning what can be created out of the appearance of loss.
In regards to farm animals, these are birthed and cared for by us. A true farmer would take care of, even spiritually advance, his animals and crops, because they bring him value. The products and service that the animals provide becomes a beneficial and mutual trade for both species. That is what justifies the meat eating, which is very beneficial for health and actually helps drive us to spiritual advance further. So, we can use the meat as fuel to directly advance both our lives and animal lives.
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Yurei
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No plant contains more than 15 micronutrients that are essential for optimal health and life.
If we were supposed to be vegetarian or vegan, we would have ruminant stomachs akin to cows.
But we don't. We are omnivores, like bears, pigs, etc.
Meat is essential for us. I'd argue it's even more vital for us than plants.
If we were supposed to be vegetarian or vegan, we would have ruminant stomachs akin to cows.
But we don't. We are omnivores, like bears, pigs, etc.
Meat is essential for us. I'd argue it's even more vital for us than plants.
Hierothronos
Active member
Did you know that plants are actually alive and have their own type of souls?
Desdemona_666
Active member
figure of the past yes, the good old: "do you know plants are alive too? do you know they can even feel pain???".
Yes I do, and the capacity of plants to react to stimuli is nowhere near the capacity of animals, especially mammalian animals to suffer. This is a dishonest and incredibly flawed argument that does asbolutely nothing for the conversation about animal welfare.
Desdemona_666
Active member
And may I even be so bold to say: crops are probably treated better than many farm animals today.
Hierothronos
Active member
Still living beings regardless.
The problem vegans have, is that they "feel bad" to have beings die so that can eat them.
One should just stop being a snowflake, you are human, eat like one and stop complaying.
We don't eat certain animals as these have certain bad effects on us, metaphisically and similar.
The rest is good to eat.
Do you see a lion guilt tripping over eating animals? No, it's just pathetic.
Do you want to be a suicidal empathic "saviour"? Then don't be false, and just stop eating and drinking everything, as being alive means consuming life to keep that fire going. Both plants and animals.
Want to actual be the good guy or a saviour, then become strong, do what you need to do, consume food. The other option is dissipation.
It just piss me off, people are melting their minds over a steak, like wtf.
Why on earth are you following a Warrior Path?
