What about banning and prosecuting smoking?

[Sunny]

Will it work? Or will people rebel against the Government for such a choice, as if you take away their food?

 

[Veritá_666]

Will it work? Or will people rebel against the Government for such a choice, as if you take away their food?

Personally, I would not ban it, but I would heavily propagandise against smoking and other harmful substances (alcohol, drugs, etc.).

It will be socially acceptable to criticise people who smoke and drink alcohol, and it will be absolutely frowned upon as an action.

This can be counteracted by raising prices. But in time, there will not even be a memory of the existence of cigarettes or anything else.

If one is stupid, he will be able to destroy himself with tobacco and alcohol, life is his own.
But these poisons will not be promoted, they will be publicly attacked and anyone who smuggles these substances will receive large fines or even jail time.

Essentially, anyone who uses them will be seen as a low soul, there will be many concessions to stop consuming poisons.
On the other hand, those who smuggle them will be seen as enemies of the people.

In time the business of tobacco, alcohol, etc. will disappear.

To give you a shorter answer, I do not forbid it, but I direct the world to hate it until it disappears forever.

 

[xlnt]

Well banning something makes it more attractive, "rebellious", "cool" etc.
What is needed is a proper explanation as for why something is not good and also present good alternatives. Too bad the best alternatives (as we all know of here such as meditation, yoga exercises etc.) are not presented to the public as much as it should have been.

I think a main reason for so much smoking of illegal drugs is that it's illegal and presented as cool and rebellious in rap videos etc. The most rebellious thing today is to be drug free, even though I think some drugs may be useful for some people as long as it does not involve inhaling burned material.

 

[The Outlaw Torn]

Just make it too expense to buy.

 

[Dhruv11]

Smoking can be healthy.

 

[Sunny]

Just make it too expense to buy.

It doesn't seem like a good idea, they will sacrifice a large part of their salary anyway, doing so.

 

[Sunny]

Smoking can be healthy.

How? Carbon dioxide is harmful.

 

[Sunny]

Will it work? Or will people rebel against the Government for such a choice, as if you take away their food?

Personally, I would not ban it, but I would heavily propagandise against smoking and other harmful substances (alcohol, drugs, etc.).

It will be socially acceptable to criticise people who smoke and drink alcohol, and it will be absolutely frowned upon as an action.

This can be counteracted by raising prices. But in time, there will not even be a memory of the existence of cigarettes or anything else.

If one is stupid, he will be able to destroy himself with tobacco and alcohol, life is his own.
But these poisons will not be promoted, they will be publicly attacked and anyone who smuggles these substances will receive large fines or even jail time.

Essentially, anyone who uses them will be seen as a low soul, there will be many concessions to stop consuming poisons.
On the other hand, those who smuggle them will be seen as enemies of the people.

In time the business of tobacco, alcohol, etc. will disappear.

To give you a shorter answer, I do not forbid it, but I direct the world to hate it until it disappears forever.

I would not judge these businesses so harshly. Instead of them disappearing, I would wish them to evolve and improve. But if you don't evolve you might as well disappear. Even the hydrocarbon fuel businesses I think will be replaced with nuclear fuels.

 

[Sunny]

Well banning something makes it more attractive, "rebellious", "cool" etc.
What is needed is a proper explanation as for why something is not good and also present good alternatives. Too bad the best alternatives (as we all know of here such as meditation, yoga exercises etc.) are not presented to the public as much as it should have been.

I think a main reason for so much smoking of illegal drugs is that it's illegal and presented as cool and rebellious in rap videos etc. The most rebellious thing today is to be drug free, even though I think some drugs may be useful for some people as long as it does not involve inhaling burned material.

The fact that they allow these advertisements in songs and films, and that they pretend they cannot stop drugs means that they are interested in the money from it.

However, some things must be banned. Such as driving a car drunk or drugged, not so much because he might die but because he would kill others and this cannot be allowed.

 

[Concerned]

Smoking has many positive qualities OP. Ask yourself who told you smoking was bad? And why in an otherwise degenerate atmosphere with far more awful things people do and even argue it's healthy like pornography does the system still focus on smoking?

But even ignoring the obvious, nicotine itself has many qualities that improve cognitive function, reduce estrogen, promote metabolic increase, and actually wards off developing certain kinds of cancer. Everyone should smoke, dogs and children should smoke. Maybe not cigarettes, but that's like comparing a steak to a McDonald's cheeseburger.

Or look at coffee. No-one says coffee is bad for people.

 

[Pumpkin671]

Just make it too expense to buy.

Like a 30% tax on it.

 

[Pumpkin671]

Smoking has many positive qualities OP. Ask yourself who told you smoking was bad? And why in an otherwise degenerate atmosphere with far more awful things people do and even argue it's healthy like pornography does the system still focus on smoking?

But even ignoring the obvious, nicotine itself has many qualities that improve cognitive function, reduce estrogen, promote metabolic increase, and actually wards off developing certain kinds of cancer. Everyone should smoke, dogs and children should smoke. Maybe not cigarettes, but that's like comparing a steak to a McDonald's cheeseburger.

Or look at coffee. No-one says coffee is bad for people.

It really comes down to personal preference at this point, but I understand your point there.

 

[The Outlaw Torn]

Or look at coffee. No-one says coffee is bad for people.

Except coffee IS bad for you lmao what is shit you’re saying that kids and animals should smoke go away Richard.

 

[The Outlaw Torn]

Just make it too expense to buy.

Like a 30% tax on it.

Make 1 pack cost $100 and we’ll see how badly people need dem cancer stixxx

 

[Pumpkin671]

Just make it too expense to buy.

Like a 30% tax on it.

Make 1 pack cost $100 and we’ll see how badly people need dem cancer stixxx

I am willing to bet that few will. Make the alternative cheaper to get them off.

 

[Henu the Great]

Smoking has many positive qualities OP. Ask yourself who told you smoking was bad? And why in an otherwise degenerate atmosphere with far more awful things people do and even argue it's healthy like pornography does the system still focus on smoking?

But even ignoring the obvious, nicotine itself has many qualities that improve cognitive function, reduce estrogen, promote metabolic increase, and actually wards off developing certain kinds of cancer. Everyone should smoke, dogs and children should smoke. Maybe not cigarettes, but that's like comparing a steak to a McDonald's cheeseburger.

Or look at coffee. No-one says coffee is bad for people.

Both are bad for health and not necessary for healthy functioning of Human being in any way whatsoever. You do you, but do not propagate falsehoods being okay here.

 

[Sunny]

Just make it too expense to buy.

Like a 30% tax on it.

Make 1 pack cost $100 and we’ll see how badly people need dem cancer stixxx

This would completely ruin the companies in question, no one would want to pay taxes of 90€ for a packet of cigarettes. And it still would not solve the problem, people would find illegal alternatives or attack the government.

 

[Sunny]

Smoking has many positive qualities OP. Ask yourself who told you smoking was bad? And why in an otherwise degenerate atmosphere with far more awful things people do and even argue it's healthy like pornography does the system still focus on smoking?

But even ignoring the obvious, nicotine itself has many qualities that improve cognitive function, reduce estrogen, promote metabolic increase, and actually wards off developing certain kinds of cancer. Everyone should smoke, dogs and children should smoke. Maybe not cigarettes, but that's like comparing a steak to a McDonald's cheeseburger.

Or look at coffee. No-one says coffee is bad for people.

There are many things to be fixed. Noise pollution is also a problem and will be solved with quiet engines and anti-noise technology. But that is not the point.

Nicotine is an alkaloid like caffeine and if nicotine has beneficial effects in certain doses then let it be taken in better ways like supplements for example. Carbon dioxide is bad for you, that is a fact.

 

[The Outlaw Torn]

This would completely ruin the companies in question, no one would want to pay taxes of 90€ for a packet of cigarettes. And it still would not solve the problem, people would find illegal alternatives or attack the government.

Why do you care about these companies? They deserve to go broke for killing people.

 

[Sunny]

This would completely ruin the companies in question, no one would want to pay taxes of 90€ for a packet of cigarettes. And it still would not solve the problem, people would find illegal alternatives or attack the government.

Why do you care about these companies? They deserve to go broke for killing people.

I am not saying that you have to do business with diseases and harming people but I think they deserve a second chance because it is not their fault. They are not forcing anyone to smoke, they are just working to give people what they are asking for.

No one kills smokers, but they kill themselves. One can drink acid if one wants and of course one will die.

 

[Head Guardian Sophiles Phylax]

Will it work? Or will people rebel against the Government for such a choice, as if you take away their food?

Like all drugs or other bad choices, people will stop on their own when the culture they live in influences them to do so. We live in clownworld where people are negatively influenced to do drugs, not stop them. This is something that could be solved without magic, but will certainly be resolved as Satanism grows.

 

[Kavya Shukra]

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Will it work? Or will people rebel against the Government for such a choice, as if you take away their food?

Like all drugs or other bad choices, people will stop on their own when the culture they live in influences them to do so. We live in clownworld where people are negatively influenced to do drugs, not stop them. This is something that could be solved without magic, but will certainly be resolved as Satanism grows.

Once Satanism becomes the world religion it used to be, I'm pretty sure everyone will adopt healthier habits, such as farming and growing food, using sacred geometry to create healthier places to live, etc.

 

[Desdemona_666]

My problem with banning something is that it takes considerable amount of government resources to enforce the ban, and in the end you have to weigh in everything and ask yourself “is it worth it”? Why do people even resort to drugs (nicotine is a drug) in the first place? Maybe it is our shitty society devoid of any spirituality, so people look forward to drugs to ease their pain a little bit?

In my humble opinion, the better option is taxation of such destructive habits. You want to smoke? Fine. Just pay up. If that is still not enough for you to reconsider your life choices, I don’t think there is much more we can do? Throw you in prison maybe? Ok, now you are state’s burden, your stay in prison is not free for the state.

Taxation and education. Maybe even a bit of public shaming. Shaming is a powerful tool.

 

[Sunny]

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Will it work? Or will people rebel against the Government for such a choice, as if you take away their food?

Like all drugs or other bad choices, people will stop on their own when the culture they live in influences them to do so. We live in clownworld where people are negatively influenced to do drugs, not stop them. This is something that could be solved without magic, but will certainly be resolved as Satanism grows.

Yes, you are right. Advertising can also do a lot if it is correctly addressed, for example, the consequences of obesity. Many people ignore and underestimate obesity.

 

[Henu the Great]

https://drhealthbenefits.com/herbal/leaves/health-benefits-of-organic-tobacco

This doctor takes it even further than I do claiming tobacco can cure HIV!

The positives can be achieved via healthy methods and side effects are not limited to the ones listed in the article. Further, lungs are not meant for inhaling smoke as it dries them up. This is the fundamental cause for lung related issues from smoking according to Chinese Medicine.

All in all, a bad deal.

 

[Dhruv11]

Smoking has many positive qualities OP. Ask yourself who told you smoking was bad? And why in an otherwise degenerate atmosphere with far more awful things people do and even argue it's healthy like pornography does the system still focus on smoking?

But even ignoring the obvious, nicotine itself has many qualities that improve cognitive function, reduce estrogen, promote metabolic increase, and actually wards off developing certain kinds of cancer. Everyone should smoke, dogs and children should smoke. Maybe not cigarettes, but that's like comparing a steak to a McDonald's cheeseburger.

Or look at coffee. No-one says coffee is bad for people.

Both are bad for health and not necessary for healthy functioning of Human being in any way whatsoever. You do you, but do not propagate falsehoods being okay here.

Well we're at a point here where we have to look at the front page sermon where it mentions science...

 

[Artoria Pendragon]

To raise prices (levy tax), reduce imports, put people in jail ... society still needs to be governed by some ruling body.

I wonder what the JOS community feels about the future of human governance — do we want it? What does it look like? Global / country level / more local ? Is there taxes? How are they structured? What Dow’s voting look like?

Apologies if there is already a thread on this.

hail Satan!

 

[Artoria Pendragon]

To raise prices (levy tax), reduce imports, put people in jail ... society still needs to be governed by some ruling body.

I wonder what the JOS community feels about the future of human governance — do we want it? What does it look like? Global / country level / more local ? Is there taxes? How are they structured? What Dow’s voting look like?

Apologies if there is already a thread on this.

hail Satan!

 

[Sunny]

To raise prices (levy tax), reduce imports, put people in jail ... society still needs to be governed by some ruling body.

I wonder what the JOS community feels about the future of human governance — do we want it? What does it look like? Global / country level / more local ? Is there taxes? How are they structured? What Dow’s voting look like?

Apologies if there is already a thread on this.

hail Satan!

Leadership and governments will always and forever be needed.

Studying JoS and national, regional and global politics, I realised that there is hierarchy. So there is authority on every level.

 

[Sunny]

My problem with banning something is that it takes considerable amount of government resources to enforce the ban, and in the end you have to weigh in everything and ask yourself “is it worth it”? Why do people even resort to drugs (nicotine is a drug) in the first place? Maybe it is our shitty society devoid of any spirituality, so people look forward to drugs to ease their pain a little bit?

In my humble opinion, the better option is taxation of such destructive habits. You want to smoke? Fine. Just pay up. If that is still not enough for you to reconsider your life choices, I don’t think there is much more we can do? Throw you in prison maybe? Ok, now you are state’s burden, your stay in prison is not free for the state.

Taxation and education. Maybe even a bit of public shaming. Shaming is a powerful tool.

I agree that spirituality is a great lack and deprivation and limitation of humanity. However, I think that even if humans had spirituality, they would rightly want to get more out of the material dimension as well.

 

[The Outlaw Torn]

I say that the companies in question are not guilty, the guilty ones are the smokers.

Sunny boy you should really reflect on this mentality you have it’s one of victim blaming and sounds like something the enemy would say you should know that some people got addicted to these substances not by choice.

 

[Sunny]

I say that the companies in question are not guilty, the guilty ones are the smokers.

Sunny boy you should really reflect on this mentality you have it’s one of victim blaming and sounds like something the enemy would say you should know that some people got addicted to these substances not by choice.

Listen grandpa, smokers are victims of themselves. Nobody gives cigarettes to people against their will.

 

[Sunny]

I say that the companies in question are not guilty, the guilty ones are the smokers.

Sunny boy you should really reflect on this mentality you have it’s one of victim blaming and sounds like something the enemy would say you should know that some people got addicted to these substances not by choice.

Moreover, cigarette addiction can be overcome if one wants to, but if you don't want to, you won't. Many people don't stop smoking because they don't want to, and....they start smoking because they want to.

I smoked for 6-7 years almost two packs a day, once I realised what useless and harmful crap dioxide and monoxide carbon are, I stopped smoking permanently, with some difficulty but I quit.

 

[Sunny]

Initially I said that smoking must either be made safe or it must be banned because it is destructive. I am not confused and I stand by this idea.

Rather others have said that people should choose whether to use it or not.

However, since a safe and satisfying alternative will not be created soon, the best thing would be to remove cigarettes and wait until something better is created.

The question is, how will smokers react? Can you answer that? I am actually more concerned about this than the companies.

It is not just the addiction to nicotine, it is the habit that is the issue.

To want to have something in your hands. You've gotten so used to the stick..

Do you really think our Gods would do such a thing, have such an annoying habit?

The smoking of cigarettes has no place in a Satanic Society. Not now and not ever.

Even campfire smoke is bad for your health. Or when a house burns down you're also always checked in a hospital if you inhaled the smoke.
The substance doesn't matter. It is simply not great for your health.


Also regarding policies. I think in regard to smoking and certain things global policies should be in place. There are other less important things that could be done more locally.

However, we all need to be on the same page if we want to fully enter a proper Satanic Society. We cannot leave any bad things in it, lest they fester and turn up again in different places.

Right, half the problem is habit.