Saturn Square

[Hrodrik Avernus [SG]]

If you are after serious discipline and grounding is it the physical or spiritual kind of square? I'm confused now.

 

[High Priestess Lydia Coventina]

Saturn square has messed up a lot of people's lives. I've done it about 5 times no problems, but it might be best to err on the side of caution and do Nauthiz rune instead.

 

[darkmonkey666]

Saturn in Aquarius I believe is safer.

 

[Megistomedes]

Material squares are most likely about material events. For an example, Mercury material square can be used for exams. But if you talk about intelligence, then you would look for spiritual square. In your case, I would say it should be spiritual sqaure.

 

[Hrodrik Avernus [SG]]

Saturn square has messed up a lot of people's lives. I've done it about 5 times no problems, but it might be best to err on the side of caution and do Nauthiz rune instead.

I have done the Nauthiz, it did it's job, but I want more, and also deeper levels of it. I feel the Saturn Square would be a good way to achieve that. I actually plan on doing a massive cleaning/protection working immediately after, just in case. I read that if Saturn rules my chart it wont be as negative. Which is why I am not that scared, but I guess there's no way to predict exactly how it will be, unless you actually try. There are other things that worry me, that I cant really say here for safety reasons, but I feel like trying anyway.

The reason for my question is discipline acts on the material world, but it comes from the spiritual side of Saturn, the Base Chakra. So I am confused on which square to perform. I would say the spiritual square, but I am not exactly sure. I want to unlock and empower every positive quality of Saturn in my life.

 

[High Priestess Lydia Coventina]

Saturn square has messed up a lot of people's lives. I've done it about 5 times no problems, but it might be best to err on the side of caution and do Nauthiz rune instead.

I have done the Nauthiz, it did it's job, but I want more, and also deeper levels of it. I feel the Saturn Square would be a good way to achieve that. I actually plan on doing a massive cleaning/protection working immediately after, just in case. I read that if Saturn rules my chart it wont be as negative. Which is why I am not that scared, but I guess there's no way to predict exactly how it will be, unless you actually try. There are other things that worry me, that I cant really say here for safety reasons, but I feel like trying anyway.

The reason for my question is discipline acts on the material world, but it comes from the spiritual side of Saturn, the Base Chakra. So I am confused on which square to perform. I would say the spiritual square, but I am not exactly sure. I want to unlock and empower every positive quality of Saturn in my life.

Ok, yes definitely do extra cleaning. Spiritual then would be the one to do.

Also, did you do Nauthiz into your base chakra? That could give a different result rather than just generalized.

 

[darkmonkey666]

Saturn square has messed up a lot of people's lives. I've done it about 5 times no problems, but it might be best to err on the side of caution and do Nauthiz rune instead.

I have done the Nauthiz, it did it's job, but I want more, and also deeper levels of it. I feel the Saturn Square would be a good way to achieve that. I actually plan on doing a massive cleaning/protection working immediately after, just in case. I read that if Saturn rules my chart it wont be as negative. Which is why I am not that scared, but I guess there's no way to predict exactly how it will be, unless you actually try. There are other things that worry me, that I cant really say here for safety reasons, but I feel like trying anyway.

The reason for my question is discipline acts on the material world, but it comes from the spiritual side of Saturn, the Base Chakra. So I am confused on which square to perform. I would say the spiritual square, but I am not exactly sure. I want to unlock and empower every positive quality of Saturn in my life.

Saturn is co ruler of my chart and in a prominent position. I did the Saturn square a bunch of times had no problem. Like I tried to explain it deals with the Karma of the person in relation to Saturn as to whether something will happen good or bad with the Squares that is a major thing. Most people suppress Saturn and ignore it are doing all sorts of things they shouldn't do anr are unhealthy etc. That is why their lives fall apart when doing the square.

My partner has Saturn Co ruler and the most powerful planet in her chart she did it twice before dedicating had no problem liked the effects. I think this proves my point.

 

[Kokusz]

Saturn square has messed up a lot of people's lives. I've done it about 5 times no problems, but it might be best to err on the side of caution and do Nauthiz rune instead.

I have done the Nauthiz, it did it's job, but I want more, and also deeper levels of it. I feel the Saturn Square would be a good way to achieve that. I actually plan on doing a massive cleaning/protection working immediately after, just in case. I read that if Saturn rules my chart it wont be as negative. Which is why I am not that scared, but I guess there's no way to predict exactly how it will be, unless you actually try. There are other things that worry me, that I cant really say here for safety reasons, but I feel like trying anyway.

The reason for my question is discipline acts on the material world, but it comes from the spiritual side of Saturn, the Base Chakra. So I am confused on which square to perform. I would say the spiritual square, but I am not exactly sure. I want to unlock and empower every positive quality of Saturn in my life.

Saturn is co ruler of my chart and in a prominent position. I did the Saturn square a bunch of times had no problem. Like I tried to explain it deals with the Karma of the person in relation to Saturn as to whether something will happen good or bad with the Squares that is a major thing. Most people suppress Saturn and ignore it are doing all sorts of things they shouldn't do anr are unhealthy etc. That is why their lives fall apart when doing the square.

My partner has Saturn Co ruler and the most powerful planet in her chart she did it twice before dedicating had no problem liked the effects. I think this proves my point.

What’s the best time to start a Saturn square?
I don’t find any mark for a Saturn square in the 2022 calendar.

What do you mean by suppressing Saturn?

 

[Hrodrik Avernus [SG]]

Thanks everyone for the answers.

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Never thought of that, I will add it to my notes and I will make sure to do that sometime. Should have an interesting effect.

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I never did this square, I understand that there are great malefic forces at play here but like anything in life, your mindset towards it matters a great deal. If you go into it scared it will kill you or something it will probably not go the best way. I know how ruthless and unforgiving Saturn can be, but a great part of the negativity depends on your attitude towards it and the lessons these energies are trying to teach you. That has been my experience with Saturn related stuff anyway.

 

[Kavya Shukra]

Saturn square has messed up a lot of people's lives. I've done it about 5 times no problems, but it might be best to err on the side of caution and do Nauthiz rune instead.

I have done the Nauthiz, it did it's job, but I want more, and also deeper levels of it. I feel the Saturn Square would be a good way to achieve that. I actually plan on doing a massive cleaning/protection working immediately after, just in case. I read that if Saturn rules my chart it wont be as negative. Which is why I am not that scared, but I guess there's no way to predict exactly how it will be, unless you actually try. There are other things that worry me, that I cant really say here for safety reasons, but I feel like trying anyway.

The reason for my question is discipline acts on the material world, but it comes from the spiritual side of Saturn, the Base Chakra. So I am confused on which square to perform. I would say the spiritual square, but I am not exactly sure. I want to unlock and empower every positive quality of Saturn in my life.

Saturn is co ruler of my chart and in a prominent position. I did the Saturn square a bunch of times had no problem. Like I tried to explain it deals with the Karma of the person in relation to Saturn as to whether something will happen good or bad with the Squares that is a major thing. Most people suppress Saturn and ignore it are doing all sorts of things they shouldn't do anr are unhealthy etc. That is why their lives fall apart when doing the square.

My partner has Saturn Co ruler and the most powerful planet in her chart she did it twice before dedicating had no problem liked the effects. I think this proves my point.

I also did the Saturn square and there was no issue in doing so, but since it was in my 5th house, I did start to have issues with identity crisis and childhood traumas popping back up, as the 5th house rules children, enjoyment, etc. I definitely had issues trying to figure myself out and who I am and what I'm here to do and what is my dream goal and passion after doing so.

 

[Wotanwarrior]

Never do a Saturn square unless you have completely obliterated the negative effects of Saturn in your natal chart, have cleared the negative karma from your soul and can then take advantage of the positive side of Saturn without experiencing negative effects.

 

[NinRick]

If you are after serious discipline and grounding is it the physical or spiritual kind of square? I'm confused now.

I wouldn’t do a Saturn square, because Saturn will kick your ass where ever it can.

 

[darkmonkey666]

Never do a Saturn square unless you have completely obliterated the negative effects of Saturn in your natal chart, have cleared the negative karma from your soul and can then take advantage of the positive side of Saturn without experiencing negative effects.

One way a person can tell is Saturn transits. Is it positive or really not much happens then you can do this. Haven't experienced anything bad from Saturn in years.

 

[Henu the Great]

If you are after serious discipline and grounding is it the physical or spiritual kind of square? I'm confused now.

I wouldn’t do a Saturn square, because Saturn will kick your ass where ever it can.

Know thyself has been stated on JoS. Indeed, by knowing yourself, who you are and what you are supposed to do or what you want to do is the most important thing on this path aside from avoiding stupidity.

That being said, I think it is safe to say that whether to do or not to do Saturn square is wholly up to the individual.

As a final note, this really is once in a lifetime opportunity. Saturn being in Aquarius, that is.

 

[darkmonkey666]

I have done the Nauthiz, it did it's job, but I want more, and also deeper levels of it. I feel the Saturn Square would be a good way to achieve that. I actually plan on doing a massive cleaning/protection working immediately after, just in case. I read that if Saturn rules my chart it wont be as negative. Which is why I am not that scared, but I guess there's no way to predict exactly how it will be, unless you actually try. There are other things that worry me, that I cant really say here for safety reasons, but I feel like trying anyway.

The reason for my question is discipline acts on the material world, but it comes from the spiritual side of Saturn, the Base Chakra. So I am confused on which square to perform. I would say the spiritual square, but I am not exactly sure. I want to unlock and empower every positive quality of Saturn in my life.

Saturn is co ruler of my chart and in a prominent position. I did the Saturn square a bunch of times had no problem. Like I tried to explain it deals with the Karma of the person in relation to Saturn as to whether something will happen good or bad with the Squares that is a major thing. Most people suppress Saturn and ignore it are doing all sorts of things they shouldn't do anr are unhealthy etc. That is why their lives fall apart when doing the square.

My partner has Saturn Co ruler and the most powerful planet in her chart she did it twice before dedicating had no problem liked the effects. I think this proves my point.

What’s the best time to start a Saturn square?
I don’t find any mark for a Saturn square in the 2022 calendar.

What do you mean by suppressing Saturn?

Any Saturday when it's not in Retrograde. Saturn enters retrograde July 4th and ends October 23rd in 2022.

And by suppressing Saturn I mean trying to escape its effects or ignore its energies or the area of life it rules.

 

[darkmonkey666]

Here is a copy paste of something I wrote in another thread.

"I got some more insight into this for people so I wanted to reply to this. The answer is Karma but the ancients really didn't have this problem as they were not fully resisting Saturn energy and avoiding doing what they were supposed to always trying to escape like people do today so they would not have written a "Warning" about this square or using the Saturn mantra. In fact it would have helped them exactly like they said.

The problem is the same it would be with any other planet including the greater Benific Jupiter and lesser Benific Venus. I heard a couple reports of things going bad with these squares as well over the years btw including one person asking how do they remove a venus square they did cause it caused problems then listed a bunch of stuff that went wrong. If you have a lot of Karma around some specific area of life then activating that energy in your life can cause unwanted events or problems in the case of Aquarius or Capricorn rising health problems. (I would be willing to bet 100 right now that the person who reported a serious health episode from doing a Saturn square where they feel they almost died has one of these two signs ascending or Saturn in 1st house) or problems based upon where Saturn is or what it rules. Almost everyone has a lot of bad Karma around Saturn. I would say only be careful totally with this and work on dealing with the Karmic issues around Saturn before thinking of doing the Square if it is in or rules something in your life where if it goes wrong this would be really bad or devastating for you. If so then stop and think.

Once you remove the negative Karma Saturn working won't cause anything bad it will actually be like the other workings the energy at the end won't be pleasant fully (I kind of like the energy of Saturn in Aquarius btw) but it will help this area of life. It does have rewards to master this energy like Cobra said.

Talk about Capricorn enjoy the 1st few degrees when the sun is here get a feeling for the energy this time of year actually is really cool. An almost celebratory vibe. The colors red and green are most often used for this holiday but it's similar to the colors of this energy. It is nice. If you tune in to that a little this holiday will feel even more fun."

 

[Wotanwarrior]

Never do a Saturn square unless you have completely obliterated the negative effects of Saturn in your natal chart, have cleared the negative karma from your soul and can then take advantage of the positive side of Saturn without experiencing negative effects.

One way a person can tell is Saturn transits. Is it positive or really not much happens then you can do this. Haven't experienced anything bad from Saturn in years.

Of course it depends a lot on planetary positions and influences and planetary transits, for example, if I made Saturn squares right now, I would experience negative effects.

 

[luis]

Saturn square has messed up a lot of people's lives. I've done it about 5 times no problems, but it might be best to err on the side of caution and do Nauthiz rune instead.

If you can say it, what did you use the Saturn square for? I did a long time ago for cursing someone, the worst idea I had, there is no warning to not use them for cursing (but there is a warning that the Saturn square may harm you, so I did something very stupid) and so I thought it was ok as long as you cleaned yourself after but nope, luckily the God's saved me, i was almost hit by a car.

 

[darkmonkey666]

Never do a Saturn square unless you have completely obliterated the negative effects of Saturn in your natal chart, have cleared the negative karma from your soul and can then take advantage of the positive side of Saturn without experiencing negative effects.

One way a person can tell is Saturn transits. Is it positive or really not much happens then you can do this. Haven't experienced anything bad from Saturn in years.

Of course it depends a lot on planetary positions and influences and planetary transits, for example, if I made Saturn squares right now, I would experience negative effects.

Well no not really. It's all based upon the personal karma. In the origional vedic texts and vedic astrology its stated the Saturn Square or working (and also various Saturn Mantras and practices that deal with invoking Saturn energy they have please note dealing with all the planets not just Saturn I personally think many of these are really superstitious and kind of dumb and unlikely to solve anything) can help offset negative effects from Saturn transit. If a person has worked to clean the Karma of Saturn and isn't actively doing anything that would create karma from Saturn (reverse Vedic practices) they should have no negative effects from the transits dealing with Saturn and the Saturn square wouldn't harm anything but bring about positive results related to the transits and position of Saturn.

 

[darkmonkey666]

Saturn square has messed up a lot of people's lives. I've done it about 5 times no problems, but it might be best to err on the side of caution and do Nauthiz rune instead.

If you can say it, what did you use the Saturn square for? I did a long time ago for cursing someone, the worst idea I had, there is no warning to not use them for cursing (but there is a warning that the Saturn square may harm you, so I did something very stupid) and so I thought it was ok as long as you cleaned yourself after but nope, luckily the God's saved me, i was almost hit by a car.

This is different than using the Saturn working on yourself for more positive things. I don't really think there is a way to disconnect from the energy when doing the Squares on other people. Make sure it's doing something you would not mind a little of that being done to yourself for this reason. The energy will do what it's programed to do even if it is to the programmer if the energy ends up in the programmers aura or soul.

 

[darkmonkey666]

Thanks everyone for the answers.

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Never thought of that, I will add it to my notes and I will make sure to do that sometime. Should have an interesting effect.

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I never did this square, I understand that there are great malefic forces at play here but like anything in life, your mindset towards it matters a great deal. If you go into it scared it will kill you or something it will probably not go the best way. I know how ruthless and unforgiving Saturn can be, but a great part of the negativity depends on your attitude towards it and the lessons these energies are trying to teach you. That has been my experience with Saturn related stuff anyway.

Black Onyx is a Saturn stone and actually can be really helpful for Sensitive people to carry on them when around negative people as it tends to absorb negative energies into the stone keeping them out of the person's aura and soul somewhat.

Then the stone can be cleansed later in a more positive environment and readied for use again when needed. This was a life saver in 2012 when I went to visit some xtian relatives.

 

[NinRick]

Saturn square has messed up a lot of people's lives. I've done it about 5 times no problems, but it might be best to err on the side of caution and do Nauthiz rune instead.

If you can say it, what did you use the Saturn square for? I did a long time ago for cursing someone, the worst idea I had, there is no warning to not use them for cursing (but there is a warning that the Saturn square may harm you, so I did something very stupid) and so I thought it was ok as long as you cleaned yourself after but nope, luckily the God's saved me, i was almost hit by a car.

Whenever you vibrate anything, no matter what you do, by the physical vibrations of your body, your entire soul vibrates at all dimensions as well, so there is no separation possible here.

If I wanted to curse someone, I would wait until they sleep, draw all their energy, or as much as I can, and would use evocation, and infuse them with death energy which is programmed to end them.
I would repeat this each night. Along with much cleaning of course.

 

[Gearshift]

The problem is the same it would be with any other planet including the greater Benific Jupiter and lesser Benific Venus. I heard a couple reports of things going bad with these squares as well over the years btw including one person asking how do they remove a venus square they did cause it caused problems then listed a bunch of stuff that went wrong.

I'm assuming you mean me for doing a Venus square.(Note: I don't know if my square did anything or not. I never advanced spirituality I'm utterly a contradiction of JoS member nearly 20 years and not an iota of difference)

Yes I too think the squares are too much. They are not toys and even though I did a few Jupiter, one Sun, one Venus, one Saturn. I fully regret it. I wish I never bothered with Squares similar to when I was doing the MerKaBa meditation I love the mediation my favorite but I don't know if it did or didn't do anything but it kinda affected me in a negative way.

I think if I were to put the issue at hand is the lack of good affirmation particularly cause I emailed Shael and Azorm before the issues asking for affirmation advice.

At the end of the day I'd avoid squares and do something else. Runes are fairly safe slap on the wrist. Messing with Saturn when not ready is an issue many have stated. Even if people like HP.Cobra mentioning recently doing 40+ Saturn squares.

I think for anyone using Nauthiz, Saturnian Rune. Might as well use it Brown energy(check out Using Color on JoS Witchcraft it was updated). And maybe work on a number of repetitions whatever best number there is. And maybe affirm something like The energy of Nauthiz is grounding and centering me in a positive and healthy way.

Overgrounded is preferable than overcharged.

At the end of the day take caution with square any square really your messing with something extremely advanced literally manipulating your astrological chart according to some members.

 

[Kokusz]

Here is a copy paste of something I wrote in another thread.

"I got some more insight into this for people so I wanted to reply to this. The answer is Karma but the ancients really didn't have this problem as they were not fully resisting Saturn energy and avoiding doing what they were supposed to always trying to escape like people do today so they would not have written a "Warning" about this square or using the Saturn mantra. In fact it would have helped them exactly like they said.

The problem is the same it would be with any other planet including the greater Benific Jupiter and lesser Benific Venus. I heard a couple reports of things going bad with these squares as well over the years btw including one person asking how do they remove a venus square they did cause it caused problems then listed a bunch of stuff that went wrong. If you have a lot of Karma around some specific area of life then activating that energy in your life can cause unwanted events or problems in the case of Aquarius or Capricorn rising health problems. (I would be willing to bet 100 right now that the person who reported a serious health episode from doing a Saturn square where they feel they almost died has one of these two signs ascending or Saturn in 1st house) or problems based upon where Saturn is or what it rules. Almost everyone has a lot of bad Karma around Saturn. I would say only be careful totally with this and work on dealing with the Karmic issues around Saturn before thinking of doing the Square if it is in or rules something in your life where if it goes wrong this would be really bad or devastating for you. If so then stop and think.

Once you remove the negative Karma Saturn working won't cause anything bad it will actually be like the other workings the energy at the end won't be pleasant fully (I kind of like the energy of Saturn in Aquarius btw) but it will help this area of life. It does have rewards to master this energy like Cobra said.

Talk about Capricorn enjoy the 1st few degrees when the sun is here get a feeling for the energy this time of year actually is really cool. An almost celebratory vibe. The colors red and green are most often used for this holiday but it's similar to the colors of this energy. It is nice. If you tune in to that a little this holiday will feel even more fun."

Thank you for sharing this. I think I’m experiencing something similar with the planet Mars. I’ve done a Mars square and unfortunately it turned out a little bad for me… I have Aries Mars trine with Scorpio Pluto in my chart. I read it supposed to be have a positive effect, however for me it caused severe acne, migranes, pms and mostly bad things when I was young, now these are kind of came back after the Mars square. I don’t know, maybe I’m just overthinking but I have a lot of headaches and acne again not as severe as used to be, but not pleasant at all… I guess I’m suppressing the energies of Mars. How can I change this? How can I clear out the negative karma of my natal Mars?
I’m exercising everyday now and it helps a bit, and I’m planning to start a Munka working soon, what else can I do?

 

[Wotanwarrior]

One way a person can tell is Saturn transits. Is it positive or really not much happens then you can do this. Haven't experienced anything bad from Saturn in years.

Of course it depends a lot on planetary positions and influences and planetary transits, for example, if I made Saturn squares right now, I would experience negative effects.

Well no not really. It's all based upon the personal karma. In the origional vedic texts and vedic astrology its stated the Saturn Square or working (and also various Saturn Mantras and practices that deal with invoking Saturn energy they have please note dealing with all the planets not just Saturn I personally think many of these are really superstitious and kind of dumb and unlikely to solve anything) can help offset negative effects from Saturn transit. If a person has worked to clean the Karma of Saturn and isn't actively doing anything that would create karma from Saturn (reverse Vedic practices) they should have no negative effects from the transits dealing with Saturn and the Saturn square wouldn't harm anything but bring about positive results related to the transits and position of Saturn.

The problem is that until now I have not worked seriously to obliterate my Saturn and I still have to clean a lot of karma in my soul, but in the future in a couple of years, after having done the cleaning, could change the thing.

 

[darkmonkey666]

Of course it depends a lot on planetary positions and influences and planetary transits, for example, if I made Saturn squares right now, I would experience negative effects.

Well no not really. It's all based upon the personal karma. In the origional vedic texts and vedic astrology its stated the Saturn Square or working (and also various Saturn Mantras and practices that deal with invoking Saturn energy they have please note dealing with all the planets not just Saturn I personally think many of these are really superstitious and kind of dumb and unlikely to solve anything) can help offset negative effects from Saturn transit. If a person has worked to clean the Karma of Saturn and isn't actively doing anything that would create karma from Saturn (reverse Vedic practices) they should have no negative effects from the transits dealing with Saturn and the Saturn square wouldn't harm anything but bring about positive results related to the transits and position of Saturn.

The problem is that until now I have not worked seriously to obliterate my Saturn and I still have to clean a lot of karma in my soul, but in the future in a couple of years, after having done the cleaning, could change the thing.

Ok understood. Yeah it would probably be bad for you then.

 

[Power of Justice [SG]]

I've never done a Saturn square, can you please tell me when one would need to do a Saturn square and what the benefits/risks are? Recently I saw HP Zevios Metathronos say he's done more than 40 of them, but still I don't see why. I guess there can be many uses as the JoS page lists plenty of matters that Saturn rules over, but in general I see many people throw karma and negative energy around as something to be weary of when doing it. What would be the best way for someone to protect themselves if the negative energy is so great.

Thank you!

 

[Power of Justice [SG]]

bruh I didnt mean to put that in quotes, meant to only quote you xD

 

[darkmonkey666]

I've never done a Saturn square, can you please tell me when one would need to do a Saturn square and what the benefits/risks are? Recently I saw HP Zevios Metathronos say he's done more than 40 of them, but still I don't see why. I guess there can be many uses as the JoS page lists plenty of matters that Saturn rules over, but in general I see many people throw karma and negative energy around as something to be weary of when doing it. What would be the best way for someone to protect themselves if the negative energy is so great.

Thank you!

Do stuff to remove karma from Saturn. If you have something that weakens Saturn such as Saturn conjunct Neptune or Saturn in 12th house or Saturn Aries or something you will benefit from it. But first find your Saturn issues and work on them.

A test of this is how does Saturn transits work for you. If really bad don't do this if nothing happens or it's more positive your fine doing the square.

 

[Power of Justice [SG]]

I've never done a Saturn square, can you please tell me when one would need to do a Saturn square and what the benefits/risks are? Recently I saw HP Zevios Metathronos say he's done more than 40 of them, but still I don't see why. I guess there can be many uses as the JoS page lists plenty of matters that Saturn rules over, but in general I see many people throw karma and negative energy around as something to be weary of when doing it. What would be the best way for someone to protect themselves if the negative energy is so great.

Thank you!

Do stuff to remove karma from Saturn. If you have something that weakens Saturn such as Saturn conjunct Neptune or Saturn in 12th house or Saturn Aries or something you will benefit from it. But first find your Saturn issues and work on them.

A test of this is how does Saturn transits work for you. If really bad don't do this if nothing happens or it's more positive your fine doing the square.

Thanks a lot! I've researched pretty much everything there is in regards to spirituality except for astrology and reading ones chart and so on, I just feel that there's so much knowledge out there and it's hard to tell the legit knowledge from bogus, and really the only way to tell is to practice and see the results which is soo time consuming, so I've been avoiding it like the plague lmao.

Do you have any resources you can recommend for astrology?

Thank you again!

 

[Hrodrik Avernus [SG]]

Do stuff to remove karma from Saturn. If you have something that weakens Saturn such as Saturn conjunct Neptune or Saturn in 12th house or Saturn Aries or something you will benefit from it. But first find your Saturn issues and work on them.

A test of this is how does Saturn transits work for you. If really bad don't do this if nothing happens or it's more positive your fine doing the square.

Thanks a lot! I've researched pretty much everything there is in regards to spirituality except for astrology and reading ones chart and so on, I just feel that there's so much knowledge out there and it's hard to tell the legit knowledge from bogus, and really the only way to tell is to practice and see the results which is soo time consuming, so I've been avoiding it like the plague lmao.

Do you have any resources you can recommend for astrology?

Thank you again!

The templeofzeus.org website is the best place to learn Astrology

 

[Hrodrik Avernus [SG]]

I wouldn't say I completely have, because my chart is very complex and I have a lot of work to do, but I have cleared a lot of it during the past 8 months. Much of it was Saturn related things, yes.
Also - on your second post, would you care to elaborate on the transits? What kind of transits are we talking about here?

Yes I am aware it can kick my ass in some way but I am going to try anyway. I feel like I have to. I am aware of most of the things that can go wrong and am prepared - except of what I sent in that email, but I am prepared for side effects. Which also involves the stuff you mentioned. Some other things nobody can really predict how it will be. As these things are individual it seems.

I agree. Not that I'm sort of special or anything, but I believe it will not be as disastrous as it has been for some people. With time I've come to learn the ways of Saturn and have gained it's "respect" making it a friend of mine. I want more of it. I've got plans for 2022 that depend on all the wonders Saturn can bestow.
Saturn in Aquarius is indeed a once in a lifetime opportunity. If this goes well, I will be repeating this several times during the whole transit.

 

[Gearshift]

I agree. Not that I'm sort of special or anything, but I believe it will not be as disastrous as it has been for some people. With time I've come to learn the ways of Saturn and have gained it's "respect" making it a friend of mine. I want more of it. I've got plans for 2022 that depend on all the wonders Saturn can bestow.
Saturn in Aquarius is indeed a once in a lifetime opportunity. If this goes well, I will be repeating this several times during the whole transit.

IF this is so SiA, this aspect. Then I might consider spamming Saturn square.

But I've never really suffered any karmic issues albeit again as I mentioned above I'm not spiritually advanced. But if Saturn goes well with me I'm quite a Saturnian person my birthday is in the major Saturn transition of Pluto in Scorpio era, not pre- nor post- Saturn but it's in Saturn.

From everything I've read above being mentioned Jupiter acting in a negative fashion. That's no surprise it might be Aggrandizing but with negatives as well. I believe it's effects push even negative events to manifest due to Jupiter expansion aspect. EVEN IF Good it can be too good. For example gaining weight for body/free weight lifting only to become fatter or for example as mentioned Jupiter aggrandized a negative scenario maybe karmic for the person.

Anyways if Saturn is grounding and Centering(Which I never got a clear answer for wanting to know what Centering is). Then my only guess is it's good. I'm the type of person if I were to have my astrological chart read. It would read as this person is a chameleon(takes on others aspects if sad I become sad if Strong personality I become strong if weak I become) who is tripping balls on Neptunian hallucinogenic aspect and has one foot on the ground almost ready to lift off into cloud-9 and continue tripping balls in a deep internal mental intensity, over-reliant on intuition, and on top of that is a person who is a ladder I'm so past oriented that I control my present/future self from the back of the ladder while my body is like a puppet going around.

To put it succinctly I'm on drugs not literally but my sense of existence is very ungrounded and uncentered and in cloud-9 partially.

1.) So to ask When I calculate the dates for Saturn Square which I like cause it's short. How many affirmation should I do for numerological superiority and what should my affirmation be?

The energy of the Saturn Square is permanently grounding and centering me in a positive and healthy way for me.

2.) Is this a fair affirmation or can I introduce something different?

Finally 3.) Which Saturn square Material(Earthly) or Spiritual Svaha?

BTW two more questions.

3.)How exactly do we maximize the square? Using Colors or Sensations or whatever. How would I use the square if I'm trying to ground and center myself how would I visualize that. Or is it like certain rituals that have no visual component it's so phonetically limited there is nothing worth visualizing about or maybe our definition of metaphysical imprint had a past Ancient world or God tier level of visualizing that has been lost to man currently.

4.) Is affirming directly for grounding and centering useful? Can I use Saturn Square for something else and still receive the benefits?

I recall someone mentioning the Saturn boosting on Svaha to your astro chart pumps up a lot of Saturn byproducts of it's capacity.
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Lydia give some great advice years ago during Jupiter Spam 2019 whereby she mentioned spending at least a few minutes 5 or so minutes creates more permanentlizing effects. Somewhere else she stated Lydia has mentioned she's done upwards of 20 minutes of visualizing which the metaphysical imprint becomes stronger and more permanent with or without affirming permanent in the affirmation.

Anyways I think I'll consider doing a Saturn square maybe it might help my life a lot. I'd love to do an insanity amount like HP.Cobra 40+ Loltastic crap ton of squares.

I guess that's why HP.Cobra is who he is and why he defends the JoS and promotes it stringently.

 

[Gearshift]

You can make your affirmation simple like "I am centered and grounded in reality" something like that.

Isn't this incorrect?

Both in that it is "past tense" and that it doesn't put a positive affirmation.

I am centering and grounding in reality in a positive and healthy way? or my own affirmation+positive clause safe, healthy, positive and beneficial way.

I've simplified my positive clause to positive and healthy from the bigger one.

But wouldn't it be "I am centering and grounding in reality in a positive and healthy way"?

See this is were I get confused there are a few people that post affirmations without a positive clause. Isn't it normal to include positive in all affirmations for positive magick. Or are there people who like taking a risk and procure scenarios that are more leaning towards negative than fully positive at least some sort of out of my comfort zone?

Isn't present tense the proper way to go?

 

[Deleted member 19274]

A strong Saturn keeps someone centered in reality a lot of the time. You can make your affirmation simple like "I am centered and grounded in reality" something like that. There really isn't any way to maximize the power of a square other than maybe being nit picky and looking up at Saturn hour on something like astro.com or the JOS astrology thing where Saturn is. 10th 7th or 11th house are good for it. 1st house or conjunct Ascendant or conjunct chart ruler would increase power or it being chart ruler/co ruler. But this is totally Virgo like no real need to do it.

why having Saturn in 10th, 7th or 11th house is good?

 

[darkmonkey666]

A strong Saturn keeps someone centered in reality a lot of the time. You can make your affirmation simple like "I am centered and grounded in reality" something like that. There really isn't any way to maximize the power of a square other than maybe being nit picky and looking up at Saturn hour on something like astro.com or the JOS astrology thing where Saturn is. 10th 7th or 11th house are good for it. 1st house or conjunct Ascendant or conjunct chart ruler would increase power or it being chart ruler/co ruler. But this is totally Virgo like no real need to do it.

why having Saturn in 10th, 7th or 11th house is good?

Cause this is its home and exaltation house. 10th and 11th home 7th Exaltation. Now note this isn't as powerful as home or exalt sign and probably won't take anything out of debility but it does make it easier for a weak planet to operate in a person's life.

Example Jupiter Virgo 4th 9th or 12th house while it's in debility the area of life it rules would be familiar to Jupiter and it can work better in the areas of life these houses rule and themes of these houses.

Another example: Sun Libra 5Th house or 1st house. Again won't take it out of debility but makes it eaiser for the planet to do the correct thing it likes this area of life and theme and general energies of this house.

 

[darkmonkey666]

I actually have one of these in my own chart. Mars Libra 8th house. While yeah debilitated it's in a place it likes this helps. On the other side if it's home or exalted it might even add more power too it. Saturn Aquarius 10th house it likes this a lot. It may add more power to a neutral sign and make it easier to work.

Example Saturn Gemini 11th house. It's in an area it likes so adds a little power to it and makes it easier for the planet to work in a way familiar to it.

 

[Basileus]

100 Ritual's from the fool who never advanced, is worth less than a single Ritual from a dedicated, hard working Zevism that empowers their soul on the daily. Let alone 100 Ritual's of the dedicated and empowered Zevism.

You are 100% right about this.

I've seen some other "Zevism" or who knows if they really were indeed or if they will ever be .
But I've seen people doing loads of Ritual's and avoiding meditating. They've also doing it quick and wrong.
I've tried to push them to actually meditate and grow their power but nobody listen ,well happens. A fool is a fool.