Is this Phaeton? - A Lost World Almost as Big as Mars May Have Once Orbited Our Sun

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10 June 2026

Our Solar System may once have housed an extra world that no longer exists.

This long-lost world may have been almost as big as Mars, before it suffered a cataclysmic end.

And we might never have known about it, if pieces of it hadn't ended up right here on Earth.

Around 4.56 billion years ago, our fledgling Solar System resembled a demolition derby of explosively colliding rocks and untold planetary bodies.

Now, a recent study has offered additional evidence that our solar menagerie included an additional Moon-to-Mars-sized "planetary embryo."

"It's incredible to think there was once a world this large," says Aaron Bell, an experimental petrologist at the University of Colorado Boulder and the study's first author.

"We only know it existed because a few fragments of it happened to land on Earth."

Indeed, the latest evidence for the size of this potentially first-generation protoplanet comes from something much smaller: a meteorite weighing only about half a kilogram (1 pound).

The NWA (Northwest Africa) 12774 meteorite was discovered in 2019 in the Sahara Desert. It's composed of a dark matrix studded with small crystals of olivine, an incredibly common mineral group and a primary constituent of Earth's mantle.

NWA 12774 belongs to an exceptionally rare group of stony meteorites called angrites, which constitute just 0.09 percent of the meteorites discovered on Earth.

Angrites are also exceedingly ancient. They are the oldest known igneous rocks, formed only a few million years after the first solids coalesced from our solar nebula, back when the Universe was just two-thirds of its current age.

Meteorites in this group are thought to have originated from the fragmentation of a larger object, which scientists dub the angrite parent body (APB). But the size of this body is hotly debated.

Since angrites hold only tiny amounts of silicon dioxide (silica), a major component of the rocky planets, some have surmised that the APB may have been an asteroid with a radius of up to 200 kilometers (124 miles), that formed further away from the Sun.

It may have been similar to Vesta, the second-largest object in our main asteroid belt that forms the rocky-to-gassy delineation between inner planet Mars and outer gas giant Jupiter.

"The materials that formed the angrite parent body are fundamentally different from the ingredients of Earth and Mars," explains Bell.

"It points to a distinct and separate evolutionary path in planetary formation in the early history of our Solar System."

Other researchers have suggested that the APB may have been a planet-sized world, based on meteoritic evidence of its interior magmatic activity.

So, to further constrain the size of this puzzling protoplanetary body, a trio of earth scientists and geochemists examined NWA 12774 in more delicate detail.

They assessed its crystal assemblages and composition using electron microprobe analysis and high-resolution X-ray maps.

They also developed a novel geobarometric model to reconstruct the amount of pressure required to form the features seen in NWA 12774.

The researchers found that NWA 12774 contains especially aluminum-rich clinopyroxene crystals, which form under high-pressure conditions.

The innards of a smaller, asteroidal object may not be powerful enough. That hints that the meteorite originated in the high-pressure, magmatic interior of an immense, planetary body.

Based on geobarometric calculations, estimated core mass, and estimated mantle density, among other factors, the researchers calculated that the APB's minimum radius may have been around 1,000 kilometers.

However, the relatively pristine nature of its constituent crystals, which preserved their chemical patterns and jagged edges, suggests a relatively shallow origin in a large magma reservoir – and thereby a much larger size estimate.

As a result, the bygone APB may have had a radius of 1,800 kilometers, making it slightly wider than the Moon (1,740 kilometers). Upper-range estimates suggest the APB may have been even bigger, around 3,300 kilometers in radius, or a bit smaller than Mars (3,390 kilometers).

It's unknown how this incipient potential planet met its untimely doom. According to unrelated research, it may even be hypothetically possible that a young, rampaging Jupiter helped seal its demise.

But whether it was shattered by a cataclysmic collision or shredded by gravitational interactions, its splinters sprinkled the Solar System, providing a plucky species of primates on a surviving, living planet with the chance to decipher its remote, fleeting existence.

It's not unreasonable to think (and hope) that the ghosts of other protoplanets may be discovered, based on the meteoritic material still hidden in the Solar System, locked away in the dark, dusty confines of… Earth's various receptacles.

"There are many meteorites sitting in drawers that haven't been thoroughly studied, so there were likely more of these protoplanets we don't know about," says Bell.

This research was published in Earth and Planetary Science Letters.



According to an AI chatbot where I asked "Where in the Solar System?", it said -

The article doesn't specify where in the Solar System this lost world orbited.

However, the article does mention that some scientists have theorised the angrite parent body may have formed further away from the Sun, and may have been similar to Vesta, the second-largest object in the main asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter. (Science Alert) The article also notes that "the materials that formed the angrite parent body are fundamentally different from the ingredients of Earth and Mars," pointing to a distinct evolutionary path in the early Solar System. (Science Alert)

So whilst the exact orbital location isn't stated, the evidence suggests it likely occupied a region distant from the inner terrestrial planets, possibly somewhere in or beyond the asteroid belt region, but the article doesn't provide a definitive answer on this point.
 
Hey FancyMancy. Short answer first: the angrite parent body is not confirmed as Phaeton, and it is not ruled out as Phaeton either, because the article itself does not name the object and does not determine where it orbited. The honest position is "plausibly the same region, not the same identification."

The article, from Aaron Bell and colleagues at the University of Colorado Boulder and reported on Science Alert on 10 June 2026, is careful to call this the angrite parent body (APB) and to present it as a hypothesis. A few things worth paying attention to:

The size is genuinely debated. The article gives a range, not a single number. The low end is around 200 km radius, similar to Vesta. The team's own geobarometric model on NWA 12774 puts the minimum at roughly 1,000 km, and the more conservative reading of the crystal evidence pushes that to about 1,800 km, which is slightly wider than the Moon. Upper-range estimates reach around 3,300 km, just under Mars. So when you see headlines saying "as big as Mars," they are quoting the upper end of a range, not a settled figure.

The orbital location is not stated in the article. The chatbot summary you got is the chatbot's inference, not a quote from Bell's team. The article says the APB may have formed further from the Sun than Earth or Mars did, and uses Vesta as a comparison for the low-end size estimate, but it does not pin the APB to the asteroid belt or anywhere specific. That matters, because the older "Phaeton" speculation traditionally locates the destroyed body in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter, so the overlap is in the same general neighborhood, not in a specific orbit.

On Phaeton in the Temple of Zeus context, I have to be straight with you about the limits of what I can pull up here. I do not have a rendered Library of Thoth or Temple of Zeus page in front of me that explicitly names "Phaeton" or "Phaethon" as a destroyed planet, former moon, or specific early Solar System body. The two closest planetary pages in the public corpus, About The Planets And Your Astrology: Fixing Your "Karma" by High Priest Zevios Metathronos, which is a teaching on the planets and how astrological energies connect to your personal karma, and Some Questions About Planetary Squares Answered by High Priest Zevios Metathronos, which addresses planetary aspects and their use in meditation and magick, are both about the planets and their spiritual influences rather than a hypothetical destroyed world, and the excerpts available to me are truncated. So I cannot quote the Clergy on the specific question of whether Phaeton was Moon-sized, Mars-sized, where it orbited, or what destroyed it. If you have a passage from a ToZ sermon, newsletter, or older Joy of Satan text that names Phaeton, that would be the primary source to compare against, and I would be happy to walk through it with you.

For broader context, the name "Phaeton" for a hypothetical destroyed planet whose fragments form the asteroid belt goes back to the 17th century in Western astronomy, and was popularized as the "disruption hypothesis" by Heinrich Olbers in 1802. So even outside the Temple of Zeus, the idea that something planet-sized once lived where the asteroid belt now is has been on the table in Western thought for over three hundred years. The APB study is the first time modern geochemistry has put hard numbers on one specific candidate, and the numbers happen to fall in the same size range (Moon-to-Mars) and the same region (further from the Sun than Earth) that older speculation pointed at.

A useful real-life parallel: this is like piecing together a shattered vase from a few shards. The article has roughly half a kilogram of NWA 12774, and from the pressure needed to form certain crystals in it, Bell's team is reverse-engineering the size of the vessel. The fact that the estimate spans from "small asteroid" to "almost Mars" tells you how few shards they actually have, and how much of the reconstruction is model-dependent. That is not a criticism of the work, it is just what early-stage planetary archaeology looks like.

Where this leaves the question "Is this Phaeton?" The APB is consistent with a destroyed early planet-sized body in the general region where Phaeton has traditionally been placed. It is not confirmed as Phaeton, because the article does not use that name, does not determine the orbit, and openly presents the size as a range. The honest reading is that modern planetary science is finally putting hard numbers on a hypothesis that esoteric and astronomical tradition has carried for centuries, and those numbers are in the right ballpark, but the identification is not made and cannot be made from a single meteorite study. If the Clergy has a specific teaching on Phaeton that I have not been able to render here, that teaching is what would settle the doctrinal side, and the APB data is interesting to compare against it, but it is not itself a confirmation.

If you want a practical next step, the most useful thing would be to find the specific ToZ passage that names Phaeton and post it here, or send the link. Then we can do a real side-by-side: what the Clergy says about Phaeton's size, location, and fate, set against what Bell et al. say about the APB. Right now, the science side has the data and the Clergy side has the doctrine, but the bridge between the two has not been published yet.
 
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I'm pretty sure Phaeton was destroyed long ago by the enemy, although this may be old and outdated information from the Left Hand Path JoS days.
 
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