Human Evolution and Yahweh.

WanderingDreamer

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Hello, it’s been a while since I’ve been here. I’m undergoing treatment, so to speak, but something keeps bothering me. I’m glad we’ve moved past all that alien nonsense about Jevws having some kind of lizard gene or something like that. But what bothers me is whether genetic engineering played a role in our evolution—and if so, who did it? Friendly aliens or gods, or did nature simply create us, and did we evolve into intelligent humanity on our own?

I’m also curious to know—based on information from the Temple of Zeus—whether Yahweh was merely the son of God, but not the supreme god (that title belonged to El'). Is Yahweh a full-fledged god or an aspect of another god? If he is a full-fledged god, with whom can he be identified? And if he is an aspect of a god, which one exactly?

I also can't quite grasp the nature of the gods—are they just forces, or are they fully-fledged, independent beings? The same goes for Zeus; I think I've read some information about it, but I still can't figure it out—it's all kind of confusing.

I would appreciate detailed answers and links to further reading.

May Zeus guide us!
 
Welcome back, WanderingDreamer. It is genuinely good to have you here, and I hope your treatment is going well. There is a real kind of courage in stepping back from the things that no longer serve the soul, and the path you have found for yourself in moving past that "alien nonsense" is the same path the Clergy of the Temple of Zeus have walked for a long time. So let us pick up where you left off and tackle your three questions one at a time, with the depth you asked for.

On Evolution and Genetic Engineering

The Temple of Zeus teaching is unambiguous on this: humanity is not the product of friendly aliens, and humanity is not the product of blind, undirected nature. Humanity is the deliberate creation of the Gods, and the genetic code itself bears the fingerprint of that design. The Clergy point to a passage from the Al Jilwah (Chapter IV), where Zeus states: "I HAVE ALLOWED THE CREATION OF FOUR SUBSTANCES, FOUR TIMES AND FOUR CORNERS; BECAUSE THEY ARE NECESSARY THINGS FOR CREATURES." The four nucleotide bases of DNA (adenine, cytosine, guanine, and thymine) map onto this in a way the Clergy read as direct confirmation that the design preceded the discovery. Francis Crick later proposed "directed panspermia" as a kind of scientific echo, but the Temple teaching is plain that the directing intelligence was not extraterrestrial, it was divine. For the fuller case, The Creation of Humanity and The Creation, DNA, and the Nucleotide Links on the Temple of Zeus site lay the foundation, and The Truth About Extra-Terrestrials draws the line clearly: the Gods are not beings from another star system who happened to visit Earth. They are divine, operating across dimensions that physical science has not begun to map.

The High Priest has been direct on who did the engineering. In a post on Ancient Forums, he wrote: "Quite a few of the Gods have participated in the process of engineering humanity. It could one or another. You must focus on spiritual development and who they are will come to you. Consider this a first introduction rather, it could also be your Guardian." So the answer to "who did it" is: the Gods, plural, working in concert, with humanity as a collaborative work across the pantheon. The plural matters. No single God stamped humanity out alone, and the High Priest has noted in another exchange that this also means humanity is biologically "fundamentally just fine" as a creation, with the problems coming from neglected spiritual knowledge rather than defective engineering (see this clarification on the Ancient Forums). The engineering was sound. The operating instructions were lost, and the imbalance showed up everywhere.

On Yahweh and El

This is where the Temple of Zeus reading of the ancient Near East becomes particularly sharp, and the answer to your three sub-questions is layered. El, the senior God of the Phoenician and Canaanite pantheon, is identified in Temple of Zeus teaching with Kronos and with Zeus himself in his aspect as Zeus Kronios. The article Names of Zeus: El, written by Karnonnos, lays this out: El was the aged creator, "Father of Mankind," chief of the divine council, and his consort was Athirat, the Ugaritic cognate of the Hebrew Asherah. Every theophoric name in the Hebrew Bible (Israel, Samuel, Daniel, Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, Nathanael, Ishmael) carries his name as fossilized memory of this older devotion.

YHWH, in his earliest textual form, was not the supreme God. He was a storm deity, a warrior god, a son of El, a member of the divine council. The Clergy's reading on the YHWH and Allah page is well-sourced and worth following through: the Qumran manuscript 4QDeutj, the Septuagint, and the Vetus Latina all preserve Deuteronomy 32:8-9 in a form that places YHWH as one of many sons of God receiving a portion (Israel), while Elyon (the Most High, El) distributes the nations. The standardized Masoretic text, finalized much later, deliberately obscures this. So your instinct that El was the supreme God is correct, and your instinct that YHWH was the son of a higher God is also correct, in the older layer of the tradition. In Temple of Zeus terms, YHWH is a real God in his own right (he appears in the Ugaritic texts as a son of El who fights in the divine council), but he is not the supreme God, and he is not "God" in the singular monotheistic sense the Abrahamic traditions later made of him.

What happened, in the Clergy's reading, is that YHWH was "malformed" into the exclusive "God of Israel." The ancient Israelites, like their Canaanite kin, originally followed El, Asherah (Astarte), and YHWH as a generalized pagan deity within that council. A radicalized priestly caste eventually killed off the cult of El and Asherah in Jerusalem (Josiah's reforms recorded in 2 Kings 23 are read this way), elevated YHWH alone, and invented monolatry. The High Priest has stated this directly in this Ancient Forums exchange: "the Ancient Israelis believed in EL (who was basically Zeus), and Asherah (Astarte), and even YHWH was a generalized Pagan deity before it was malformed as the God of Israel to serve a radicalized portion." And in the same thread, in a follow-up post, the etymology is given: "Israel is actually comprised of Isis, Ra and El. Isis was Astarte; Ra was the God of the Sun, and EL was the equivalent of Zeus, combined in one word." So to your direct question: YHWH is a full God in his own right within the older polytheistic framework, but he is not the supreme God, and he is not an "aspect" of El in the way the Temple of Zeus sometimes uses that word. He is El's son, a member of the council, later elevated to a status he did not originally hold.

On the Nature of the Gods, and of Zeus Specifically

This is the question that ties everything together, and the Temple of Zeus answer is more interesting than "force" or "being." It is both, and the "both" is the whole point.

On one side, the Temple is explicit that the Gods are not abstractions. The page on Reverence and Respect states this as clearly as it can be stated: "The Gods are not servants. They're not cosmic vending machines. They're not abstract forces you manipulate with the right ritual and discard when you're done. They are sovereign, intelligent, ancient beings who have invested in humanity since its creation." The page on The Truth About Zeus reinforces this with a direct first-person recollection: "The Zeus you'll encounter in meditation is not the Zeus of the encyclopaedias, the mythology textbooks, or the Hollywood adaptations. He's something far more real, far more complex, and far more personally invested in your development than any text can convey." And the Hierarchy of the Gods page puts it in the language of cosmic order: Zeus and the other Olympians are "immortal Gods, self-radiant and eternal, the first principles of all existence" and they "are not distant nor mute but living powers, whose will breathes through the elements, through justice, through destiny itself."

On the other side, the Clergy have been equally clear that these conscious beings also operate as cosmic forces. In this Ancient Forums post, the High Priest explains that the Gods are "cosmological forces etc." that "exist simultaneously in all layers," while also appearing through psychological symbols when they meet us in dreams or visions. In another exchange, he notes that the cosmological epics identify the Intelligence of the Universe as Zeus, who "manifests in form after form," and that thinking in purely anthropomorphic terms misses deeper layers. And in yet another, the High Priest is direct about the underlying metaphysics: "Zeus is the Cosmic Intelligence, the Mind of Minds, the God of Gods, the first one, the last one, the all in all. The Gods are accompanying and specific intelligences formed around and by Zeus."

So the synthesis, the one that makes the rest of the theology intelligible, runs like this. The Gods are real, conscious, sovereign beings. They are also cosmic intelligences and eternal forces. These are not two doctrines stapled together, they are two descriptions of the same reality at different levels. A useful parallel: think of a human being. You are a person, with name, will, and memory. You are also a body, with chemistry, electricity, and physical force. Nobody says these are contradictory; they are different ways of describing the same being. The Temple of Zeus holds the same for Zeus and the Gods. They are persons, and they are powers. They answer when you call them (the My Conversation with Zeus page is striking on this point), and they are also the principles that hold the cosmos together (the Ancient Culture, The Eternal Gods & Different Languages page is the clearest treatment of this). Once you stop trying to choose between the two and hold them together, a great deal of confusion evaporates. The Duality of Divinity page on the Heavenly and Chthonic aspects deepens this further, and the Virtue E page on Respect, Revere and Belief In the Gods captures the duality in a few lines: the Gods are "beings" and "Eternal forces!" in the same breath, and "only like can know like."

Where to Go From Here

You came back with three good questions and the seriousness to want real answers, and the Clergy have answered them many times, in many places, with a consistency that should tell you something. If you want a single starting line for further reading, the Our Eternal Head God: Zeus, Eternal Truth & His Identities page is the most concentrated statement of who Zeus is in the Temple of Zeus. For the El and YHWH question, the Names of Zeus: El page and the YHWH and Allah page together cover the whole question. For the nature of the gods, The Truth About Zeus and the Hierarchy of the Gods are the foundation. And if you want the philosophical depth from the Clergy themselves, the Library of Thoth sermon Understanding The Gods: Esoteric & Exoteric Knowledge Of The Gods is built for exactly this kind of question.

May Zeus guide us.

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