death penalty?

[ChildrenOfTheGods]

what do you think about the death penalty? Some crimes cannot be punished with life imprisonment.

 

[AFODO]

It is a tough question, and has more depth in it.
For exemple if there is death penalty, the killer migh just kill more people as he knows he will die anyway
And if there is not, a serial killer might walk outside again.
If there is torture, might innocent people die by torture.

So as soon as we not live in a satanic society, there is no good and reliable sentencing.

Personally I do believe in death penalty, and we could level it up, with killing the soul too.
If it was a serial killer in a life it might be for another one.

 

[MiniMe3388]

I watched a video about one prison in a Scandinavian country. Individuals there had access to good food, medical care, had their own "cells" (it looked like a regular apartment) and were allowed to go outside. They had such good conditions there that no one wanted to escape from that prison (there was probably only one case).

These people committed terrible crimes and live like kings, while people who are poor and are good have no money to have a decent life.

The death penalty should be given to any person who has committed the worst crimes.

 

[Niko_is_666]

what do you think about the death penalty? Some crimes cannot be punished with life imprisonment.

Personally, I think death penalty after a few years in prison is okay, if a chance has to be given, it must be given in the next life.

But then a situation arises, if a soul can commit a hideous crime, what are the chances it won't in the next life? Since the soul may become more dirty/rotten in the Astral, it may commit more numbers of terrible crimes in it's next life.

Maybe fixing the soul in the lifetime of it's criminal activity is important, or else the cycle may continue.

Or maybe in a spiritually active and elevated world, we will be able to track criminal souls, to help them in fixing their issues in their next life.

 

[Voice of Enki [SG]]

I think you'd make a good prosecutor in a satanic state

If I am around when that time comes, I will serve the Gods in that way certainly.

 

[bsod]

I watched a video about one prison in a Scandinavian country. Individuals there had access to good food, medical care, had their own "cells" (it looked like a regular apartment) and were allowed to go outside. They had such good conditions there that no one wanted to escape from that prison (there was probably only one case).

These people committed terrible crimes and live like kings, while people who are poor and are good have no money to have a decent life.

The death penalty should be given to any person who has committed the worst crimes.

This is not entirely true. Scandinavian prisons punish criminals through social isolation, and other psychological means.

Their system is extremely effective, compare their reoffending rate to that of the United States where prisoners are treated far worse.

Prison systems need to focus on rehabilitation, not punishment.

 

[MiniMe3388]

I watched a video about one prison in a Scandinavian country. Individuals there had access to good food, medical care, had their own "cells" (it looked like a regular apartment) and were allowed to go outside. They had such good conditions there that no one wanted to escape from that prison (there was probably only one case).

These people committed terrible crimes and live like kings, while people who are poor and are good have no money to have a decent life.

The death penalty should be given to any person who has committed the worst crimes.

This is not entirely true. Scandinavian prisons punish criminals through social isolation, and other psychological means.

Their system is extremely effective, compare their reoffending rate to that of the United States where prisoners are treated far worse.

Prison systems need to focus on rehabilitation, not punishment.

I described one case of prison.
I didn't write anything about the rest.

 

[bsod]

I described one case of prison.
I didn't write anything about the rest.

All Scandinavian prisons are like that regardless of how much of a "hotel" they seem to be. They all use the same principle of punishment.

 

[Henu the Great]

I described one case of prison.
I didn't write anything about the rest.

All Scandinavian prisons are like that regardless of how much of a "hotel" they seem to be. They all use the same principle of punishment.

Not true. There are closed and open prisons. In closed prisons it's the same as in the States, for example. There is a schedule and prisoners have no option but to adhere to it. In open prisons it is possible to easily run out, but that is to the detriment of the prisoner because then one gets put into a closed prison instead. Also, there are restrictions on what devices and activities prisoner is allowed. While it is true that conditions in these prisons are rather comfortable (compared to third world prisons) they are still prisons with restrictions to freedoms and so on.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Varg was given internet access, a guitar, and the ability to record and publish music while he was in Norwegian prison. This is where the Filosofem cd was recorded. Plus large libraries of historical information to read. Doesn't sound bad at all.

 

[bsod]

Varg was given internet access, a guitar, and the ability to record and publish music while he was in Norwegian prison. This is where the Filosofem cd was recorded. Plus large libraries of historical information to read. Doesn't sound bad at all.

It's definitely an awesome place to be, for the right person.
But in general their judicial doctrine is to rehabilitate, not punish. So I wouldn't be surprised if some prisoners feel happy. As much as we'd love to see criminals and human scum rot behind bars, unfortunately this system doesn't do much to stop them from reoffending, even if it satisfies our innate human desire for revenge.

Now there is indeed a class of criminals which cannot be helped. I agree we should just kill them and not spend billions of dollars trying to rehabilitate that (as these systems often cost), those resources are better spent elsewhere. But in general the system of the US is a failure.

 

[Dahaarkan]

But in general their judicial doctrine is to rehabilitate, not punish.

What causes people to commit heinous crimes is spiritual rot more than anything and "rehabilitation" fails because you are taking a rotten person and locking them together with hundreds of other rotten people and the result is the opposite of rehabilitation.

People go to jail and by the time they get out they are even worse than when they went in. What helps here is spiritual programs that can help these people to heal themselves and become a better self than they were.


This is the real issue which is modern justice systems don't really punish criminals, but they don't really rehabilitate them either, essentially this accomplishes nothing. An already rotten soul rots further and then is either released to commit worse crimes after a sentence, or spends the rest of their days rotting in an environment full of psychopaths and then reincarnates to spread that rot in the world again.

So the only real solution is to reform the justice systems to take in to account the real root of the issue which is how to deal with rotten souls either by healing or purging. Because what is in place now does not solve anything, even if you lock someone up for life you are only sending the problem to another time in the future when they reincarnate.

Rot can be observed from early stages of one's life such as when children display overly cruel, sadistic and unnatural behaviors even when their environment does not condition such things. This is why introducing spiritual knowledge back into society will prevent many problematic instances, as the spiritual rot that is the reason people commit horrific crimes will be addressed and healed from a young age, and never bloom into tragedies and crimes.

 

[Aquarius]

But in general their judicial doctrine is to rehabilitate, not punish.

What causes people to commit heinous crimes is spiritual rot more than anything and "rehabilitation" fails because you are taking a rotten person and locking them together with hundreds of other rotten people and the result is the opposite of rehabilitation.

People go to jail and by the time they get out they are even worse than when they went in. What helps here is spiritual programs that can help these people to heal themselves and become a better self than they were.


This is the real issue which is modern justice systems don't really punish criminals, but they don't really rehabilitate them either, essentially this accomplishes nothing. An already rotten soul rots further and then is either released to commit worse crimes after a sentence, or spends the rest of their days rotting in an environment full of psychopaths and then reincarnates to spread that rot in the world again.

So the only real solution is to reform the justice systems to take in to account the real root of the issue which is how to deal with rotten souls either by healing or purging. Because what is in place now does not solve anything, even if you lock someone up for life you are only sending the problem to another time in the future when they reincarnate.

Rot can be observed from early stages of one's life such as when children display overly cruel, sadistic and unnatural behaviors even when their environment does not condition such things. This is why introducing spiritual knowledge back into society will prevent many problematic instances, as the spiritual rot that is the reason people commit horrific crimes will be addressed and healed from a young age, and never bloom into tragedies and crimes.

I remember reading of swami or yogi who would teach yoga in prisons, and the "tough" inmates there all started crying in mass.

 

[xlnt]

Hmm.. let me think about this.

Yes.

 

[Pumpkin671]

I am against it but my mind could be changed.

 

[BEYAZKAPLAN]

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[Dahaarkan]

I am against it but my mind could be changed.

You should consider placing yourself in the shoes of the victims because it's easy to cast judgement and make decisions from an outsider position.

Prison and rehabilitation is paid for with tax money and considering this from the point of view of a victim, would you really be okay with being viciously victimized and then knowing that you are paying taxes for the upkeep and continued existence of someone who victimized you.


Imagine someone rapes or murders a close family member, and then you live the rest of your life knowing that your hard earned money goes into taxes which is then spent keeping that person alive, fed and healthy. Rehabilitation is a lie because the source of the problem is spiritual and prisons do not address any spiritual pollution, in fact all they do is make it worse.

 

[Henu the Great]

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And at the same time death as a sentence can result more extreme crime because in a deranged mind "yolo". So, while it provides a 'good solution' it does also exacerbate crime as well.

But in far future the above is less of an issue once we have collectively raised to higher levels.

 

[Missrainbow]

what do you think about the death penalty? Some crimes cannot be punished with life imprisonment.

I believe for rape and paedophilia and murder it should exist.
But if we are talking about Satanic laws I dont know

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Death penalty and life in prison are both useful punishments. The problem is with life in prison, the criminal gets used to living this way and it doesn't feel like a punishment anymore.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Lethal injection is a very painful way to die. But the first drug they give paralyzes the body so you can't see the body reacting to this pain.

 

[Bluecollarbutch666]

Lethal injection is a very painful way to die. But the first drug they give paralyzes the body so you can't see the body reacting to this pain.

I suppose then it's the quiet suffering compared to the chair. The fuckers would deserve it.

 

[xlnt]

Lethal injection is a very painful way to die. But the first drug they give paralyzes the body so you can't see the body reacting to this pain.

I just looked this up. Seems your'e right, and did not realize this until now. Everyday I learn something new from here.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

There is a reason why the 1st Amendment is the right to always be able to tell the truth, no matter who wants to censor you and try to force a lie. And the 2nd Amendment is the right to defend the lives of yourself and your family. Because these are the absolute most important things.

 

[Dahaarkan]

...

And at the same time death as a sentence can result more extreme crime because in a deranged mind "yolo". So, while it provides a 'good solution' it does also exacerbate crime as well.

But in far future the above is less of an issue once we have collectively raised to higher levels.

This sentiment has been floating around for a while and I find it odd that people actually believe this. Harsher punishments further discourage crimes, not the other way around. The above argument is merely a veiled threat from perpetrators, a promise that if their crimes are punished, they will commit worse crimes in response.

Regardless, I don't think first death penalty solves anything anyway. The problem is spiritual and executing a prisoner only sends their soul further in time, reincarnating and continuing the cycle of rot.

The souls of these people must be healed, or they must be purged. Any other solution is just placebo.

 

[Henu the Great]

This sentiment has been floating around for a while and I find it odd that people actually believe this. Harsher punishments further discourage crimes, not the other way around. The above argument is merely a veiled threat from perpetrators, a promise that if their crimes are punished, they will commit worse crimes in response.

Regardless, I don't think first death penalty solves anything anyway. The problem is spiritual and executing a prisoner only sends their soul further in time, reincarnating and continuing the cycle of rot.

The souls of these people must be healed, or they must be purged. Any other solution is just placebo.

I never said that harsher punishments do not further deter. I added that there is a dual-action consequence to harsher punishments.

And yes, the ultimate solution goes beyond the physical realm, preferably combining both worlds.

 

[Bluecollarbutch666]

Indeed, why make taxpayers put their money towards people to eat and live who may have murdered or raped their loved ones or even their children specifically. The fact that death row lasts so long is also contributing to this and is absolutely retarded.

To me, there are two kinds of prisoners. The ones who are in because of bad choices and have made some bad decisions. Drugs, burglary (not the violent kind but just stealing without wanting to hurt someone or trying to avoid it), And resorting to crime to try to support oneself and family. This does not excuse their actions and they have to pay for their crimes. A lot of these people even have a code where if they find an inmate who has raped or murdered a child or woman they will absolutely destroy them. These are the type of people that know they are fucked up on some level due to their choices but still have a conscience and are for the most part redeemable if they try to fix themselves and get their lives straight.

Then we have the latter who are completely far gone whose souls will waste to nothing ness who often cause the aforementioned most violent and heinous crimes. These need to be gotten rid of as they provide nothing of value to society and cannot be saved so there is no "setting back further spiritually" that is already far beyond redemption. I speak of the sociopaths, the psychos who have no conscience and take pleasure in the cruelty towards others and ruining lives, and make the most disgusting excuses for their perverted desires. Pedophiles, rapists, murdering in cold blood, people who enjoy causing pain. These bastards deserve the worst.

 

[Pumpkin671]

I am against it but my mind could be changed.

You should consider placing yourself in the shoes of the victims because it's easy to cast judgement and make decisions from an outsider position.

Prison and rehabilitation is paid for with tax money and considering this from the point of view of a victim, would you really be okay with being viciously victimized and then knowing that you are paying taxes for the upkeep and continued existence of someone who victimized you.


Imagine someone rapes or murders a close family member, and then you live the rest of your life knowing that your hard earned money goes into taxes which is then spent keeping that person alive, fed and healthy. Rehabilitation is a lie because the source of the problem is spiritual and prisons do not address any spiritual pollution, in fact all they do is make it worse.

Well my money already does that (supporting those who have hurt others by means of indirect monetary support) and I would also be paying for their death in any case. Hard to say how I would feel when actually in that position of a certain family member going through such a thing...justice would need to be served and in my opinion death is an easy way out. Having them waste their life in prison I think is a much more fitting solution or as some prisons would have them work while in prison (no compensation obviously). Everyone has their own way of "wanting" justice either by death or by long prison sentences...it is kinda a personal opinion by regardless an interesting one.

 

[Bluecollarbutch666]

The death penalty is absolutely justifiable in cases of rape and murder that are proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to administer justice to those who deserve it. A death spell exists for the same reason, especially if these types of people get off scot-free.

What I dislike is the "humane" forms of administration, such as lethal injection, as the criminal deserves a violent horrifying death in the same capacity that they administered to their victims. Disposing of them in this way is a mercy and a kindness almost, although i have heard in some cases leathal injection can cause excruciating pain. This isn't because I would want cruelty for the sake of it, but to administer justice in proportion to the offense. If I had a loved one who was violently victimized I would want the very same things done back to the criminal, to make them feel the pain and horror they themselves inflicted.

The judicial system should allow family members to choose and even to personally carry out a method of punishment for these types of crimes under lawful supervision. This would be the equivalent of cursing someone to death because they raped or murdered one of your family in the way you saw fit.

Disposing of someone out of an act of revenge should also not be punished in the case someone is avenging a loved one who was victimized by said type of violent crime. I knew an older guy I worked with on a job that was in jail for almost 20 years because he disposed of the person that he literally watched shoot his father when he was 9 years old. He wanted revenge for his father and took it when he was older, around 15. The police even told him they sympathized with him but had to process him anyway according to the law. The court knew of the circumstance and softened the sentence according to this, but he should not have had most of his life wasted just for rightfully avenging his father. Justice was served by his hand and he was punished.

Sounds more like an eye for an eye rather than justice.

So you are telling me you would rather lie down and take it instead of cursing someone to death if they raped or killed your family?

It's easy to patronize when one has lived a sheltered life.

 

[Bluecollarbutch666]

The death penalty is absolutely justifiable in cases of rape and murder that are proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to administer justice to those who deserve it. A death spell exists for the same reason, especially if these types of people get off scot-free.

What I dislike is the "humane" forms of administration, such as lethal injection, as the criminal deserves a violent horrifying death in the same capacity that they administered to their victims. Disposing of them in this way is a mercy and a kindness almost, although i have heard in some cases leathal injection can cause excruciating pain. This isn't because I would want cruelty for the sake of it, but to administer justice in proportion to the offense. If I had a loved one who was violently victimized I would want the very same things done back to the criminal, to make them feel the pain and horror they themselves inflicted.

The judicial system should allow family members to choose and even to personally carry out a method of punishment for these types of crimes under lawful supervision. This would be the equivalent of cursing someone to death because they raped or murdered one of your family in the way you saw fit.

Disposing of someone out of an act of revenge should also not be punished in the case someone is avenging a loved one who was victimized by said type of violent crime. I knew an older guy I worked with on a job that was in jail for almost 20 years because he disposed of the person that he literally watched shoot his father when he was 9 years old. He wanted revenge for his father and took it when he was older, around 15. The police even told him they sympathized with him but had to process him anyway according to the law. The court knew of the circumstance and softened the sentence according to this, but he should not have had most of his life wasted just for rightfully avenging his father. Justice was served by his hand and he was punished.

Sounds more like an eye for an eye rather than justice.

What's wrong with eye for an eye? (...)

There is no actual rehabilitation in prison because the system is screwed up and does not focus on reprogramming people constructively. People that are otherwise redeemable in the long run do the time for whatever crime nonetheless, and most come out worse than before, with even innocents ending up in prison for crimes they did not commit. Others go in that are already far beyond redemption and are utterly disposable. Punishment is to be administered in proportion, which does not always require full throttle except for the most worse cases as mentioned.

 

[Pumpkin671]

The death penalty is absolutely justifiable in cases of rape and murder that are proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to administer justice to those who deserve it. A death spell exists for the same reason, especially if these types of people get off scot-free.

What I dislike is the "humane" forms of administration, such as lethal injection, as the criminal deserves a violent horrifying death in the same capacity that they administered to their victims. Disposing of them in this way is a mercy and a kindness almost, although i have heard in some cases leathal injection can cause excruciating pain. This isn't because I would want cruelty for the sake of it, but to administer justice in proportion to the offense. If I had a loved one who was violently victimized I would want the very same things done back to the criminal, to make them feel the pain and horror they themselves inflicted.

The judicial system should allow family members to choose and even to personally carry out a method of punishment for these types of crimes under lawful supervision. This would be the equivalent of cursing someone to death because they raped or murdered one of your family in the way you saw fit.

Disposing of someone out of an act of revenge should also not be punished in the case someone is avenging a loved one who was victimized by said type of violent crime. I knew an older guy I worked with on a job that was in jail for almost 20 years because he disposed of the person that he literally watched shoot his father when he was 9 years old. He wanted revenge for his father and took it when he was older, around 15. The police even told him they sympathized with him but had to process him anyway according to the law. The court knew of the circumstance and softened the sentence according to this, but he should not have had most of his life wasted just for rightfully avenging his father. Justice was served by his hand and he was punished.

Sounds more like an eye for an eye rather than justice.

So you are telling me you would rather lie down and take it instead of cursing someone to death if they raped or killed your family?

It's easy to patronize when one has lived a sheltered life.

I think justice can be served in a more sufficient way rather than an emotional response.

 

[Dahaarkan]

These are the type of people who got bullied in school or whatever and never stood up for themselves and instead of addressing their internal weakness they instead cope by telling themselves letting others trample all over you is fine and you shouldn't feel angry at them because emotion bad.

Now in adulthood their minds are warped into a submissive mindset and want to project this onto others. Don't bother wasting your time.

Always remember that one deserves what one tolerates.

 

[Bluecollarbutch666]

Always remember that one deserves what one tolerates.

Heh. Learned that one the hard way.

 

[Shemsu]

How about hard labor without the possibility for release? Certain crimes are too serious and the perpetrators can never be rehabilitated. Why just kill them and have them return to do more of the same (I know it's not as simple as that but still) when they can produce something or be used for something like medical experimentation. Is death too good for some crimes? What would you suggest as a way to have them give back to society knowing that what they took can never be compensated for? As someone mentioned there's always the death spell or similar methods of justice but for the sake of argument how can serious crimes be punished other than with death? Crime can be eliminated by removing the root cause. In the meantime we have to have a better system than the present one.