Criticism and Feedback: How Can We Improve?

[F_For_Flamingo]

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-High Priest Zevios Metathronos

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1. Create a weekly blog, a topic where every beginner or advanced can ask the HP Zevios Metathronos or guardians questions and get answers (for starters, as part of the experiment).
2. If there are many questions, then for example it will be possible to introduce a restriction: No more than 1-3 questions. For example, if the problem is that it is not possible to answer all the questions due to the number of questions coming in, or if they get lost in a lot of messages.

I ask you to forgive me, if I am insolent and breaking the chain of command.

You are not breaking anything, because you are expressing a problem that requires to be addressed and we are here to address this and help other newer members and also improve ourselves. Also you wrote very constructive feedback.

If someone can accumulate these questions, I can actually answer them. They have to be in a category. Or somehow like this. Then every so often I can answer these en masse.

I am very sorry, as much as I would like to answer every single question, my time is actually constrained. Many members even those who might be newer have all the necessary knowledge to answer you however in full and correctly.

Perhaps putting a greater emphasis on Ritual's and cleaning for new people.

Perhaps like a month or two of doing cleaning and Ritual's before starting with powermeditation.

I think the minimum before one engages in Ritual after one dedicates should be 3 months. At 3 months, one can try, but only to see how Spiritual Warfare would work. The average preparation time should be 6 months.

One could cross this rule here, but one must understand why it would exist.

I thought it is important because doing Rituals destroys ths curses, thats why I thought it is better to start with the Rituals because(this could be my lack of understanding) - doing power meditation while beeing cursed and not clean enough would just amplify the curses and the negative energy( reading your anwser i guess this is not how it works, and i would be gratefull for your knowledge on this)

Cheers!

 

[Red1M1M]

When I was younger I would perform Aerokinesis and even one time I performed telekinesis.

The telekinesis felt like there was a solid vibrating force in between my hand and the object I moved. I had no intention of using it at all and was too young to know what ‘psychokinesis’ was.

I may still be capable of Aerokinesis but I may need to take testosterone pills to increase my confidence and brain power (I don’t eat).

I don’t know how to make posts here. I am new here and am only here because I saw the ‘psychokinesis’ topic on the website.

 

[blueFlame666]

First it is a huge mistake to develop the whole science of astrology and again give knowledge to the enemy.

The enemy already knows all of this information, and much more. Every action that they have done for the last hundreds of years have been done on specific days and times for astrological effect.

yes right, thank you, they know to a point, and by stolen astrological knowledge they got to this day,
but there is no need for these psychopaths to learn anything beyond that :lol:

 

[Nikólaos666]

1. Is it possible to have a french section in the forum, section in which we would translate your sermon and other important thread. I think it would help people that are not really good for understanding english (I know that we can translate with google translate, but sometimes the translation is a little bit off the track)

2. On the french version of the JOS website, there is no search bar and we have to go on the english version. If we want to introduce new people to JOS with the french site, they wont be able to search for an information without going through the whole website to maybe find the exact page containing the exact link for what they are looking for.

Thx

Great idea.

I finnaly manage to make a comment about a french section and the announcement is made minutes after I post... The timing is really amazing

 

[13th_Wolf]

-High Priest Zevios Metathronos

My criticism and one of the biggest reasons I am not very active on the forums as I used to be.

Is the quality of posts. I usually read the most active topics but for sometime now, the trashiest, most time-wasting and toxic posts that garner attention goes to the top. This is not a good algorithm for trying to find spiritual info and wisdom.

What I do to offset this is reading the recent posts and replies of members that I highly-trust I will learn something new especially brother NakedPluto but also Lydia, VoE, Shadowkat, Blitz, etc. But this is not very efficient as a community.

We have to find a way to better move quality and informative posts to the top. (Other than announcements.)

Also, there should be a system in place if we can't ban some low quality and trash drama posts at least get them to the very bottom of the forums where they get zero attention and doesn't distract us from our spiritual growth.

I second this

 

[Asra]

A more guided approach for new members, as in advice about what meditation to do next, how much to practice it, when is one apt to switch to another one, how does one know they've done it correctly, variations in intensity etc, branching to more advanced meditations, and suggestions of meditation routines. I know someone should be able to figure these on the way, but in the beginning it can be very discouraging, not knowing what to do, and it can halt progress.

I don't want to put pressure on Clergy's shoulders, and I understand as I'm not an English native myself, but it would help in future library projects if Sermons/pages would be devoid of typos or grammatical errors, since the editing part would be much lighter and we'd only have to format it, which is pretty fast for a readied document. We'd be much more efficient in updating our library.

 

[Onbael_]

One thing can be astrology, there are only methods to interpret planets in signs or aspects to people.

It would be nice to have them for other things too, like business, sports, warfare, and more.

 

[Ramses]

I'd just like to see some steps towards being more active in the physical and maybe revive the old Youtube channel to give instructional videos also as some have said here already the beginners guide to JOS is non existent i was lucky when i started i was very young (14) and i had lots of spare time to read the absolute shite out of the site I'm also considerably much older of a soul so i was able to pretty much reach out to the gods no meditation or candles required and say like so where should i start and Thoth was like yeah bro so you want to be doing... and the guy made a very long comprehensive list for me that i was able to make but unfortunately not everyone can do this with our gods so maybe write a section up for that like obviously some people will smash through things very easily and others will struggle.

like my telegram group some of the members there struggle to turn their chakras and i was like well i nailed that instantly with extremely low effort required i then told this particular member told him what i visualized and the way that especially for the sixth charkra that i envisioned silver lightening coming down from above and how i saw my chakras as pyramids rigged into a plane engine turbine and force fed them with massive amounts of white light/gold energy lasers and silver energy bolts and that didnt just break through my sixth Chakra that got them all turning very very quickly so i think that the 40 day program might want to have it broken down a lot more like your 1st year as a satanist what to focus on doing a bit of basic goal setting etc etc i think this would tie back into the YouTube channel really well where people can watch this being demonstrated or perhaps they aren't very good at reading or i don't know what you call it but you know how there is different types of learning perhaps you are more of a visual learner and less of a bookworm and so you take instruction best from visual and audio learning.

I do not have any personal criticisms of the JOS or JOS guardians I did a few years back but you guys have really matured over time and get straight to the point on a lot of matters without too much rambling or though ranting is healthy for you to get out i didn't really need to know about your political views or whatever is not going your way right now i just kind of wanted this question answered you now have a much more professional and insightful approach to most things even when some of those things are the biggest eye roll moments and questions one could possibly manifest.

I think that the internet Battalion was a pretty good idea i dont know if thats still a thing but would be cool also to have it email listed so you know make an account on X then we get together in mass and just promote the crap out of JOS or bomb chat rooms and sites and have us actually operate in teams to make it seem like the JOS is the best you know like how have you not heard about this great movement that is JOS and have some of us be casually like yeah i checked that out that was great you know make a compelling case for the person to go check it out use some of that "herd" mentality psychological techniques to get people to buy into the idea of it.

i would like to do and achieve a lot more but i know begrudgingly that right now is not the time. But its so close but now i can taste the satanic future pouring into this world even as i type this now i can see it and i can see it easily the kingdom rises before i would have to try so hard to see it but now i can see it easily as easily as one would throw around the thought of what they are going to eat next on the dinner plate.

 

[Pillar]

I did not post previously how the JoS helped me, to avoid being too personal.
In a few words, JoS helped me to understand the value of community, that I always had in my planets, but was buried under self-importance and ego issues.

How can we improve ?
Starting from ourselves. I found I was too much prone to quick and harsh reactions to any criticism, the root of this was inside me. This comes from childhood, false expectations from relatives, hang-ups etc. This ingrained into a part of my mind - I won't goo deeper as it may be different from everyone.
This anyway helped me to defend myself, so I don't mean we should become a group of sweetened ballerinas, or so.
My suggestion, criticize ourselves before, for a second before posting out loud.
I write few words here from time to time but I read more.

 

[ManofZeus]

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Now will really be a great time to read about valeferon

Yes, pretty soon. His page will be magnificent.

Your thirst for spirituality and how much you want to improve is very obvious I have to say, the future looks bright ahead.

Thank you HP Zevios, this the second time you have acknowledged my desire and you are right. As much as I enjoy the knowledge and life I apply in Satan's Name which you have given, I also now have recently desired to be useful in this family, I put my mind to find ways to be of good contribution to this home, this is my desire as I feel I have come of age since I joined.
Thank you HP HC, I'm full of gratitude, JOS has saved my life, empowered me and given me great Joy for future. I believe you when you say the future is bright ahead (to me that entails my growth on all areas and my usefulness here).
Thank you! If I knew you , I would devot and undying followership to you as even now.
My dream is to operate on the highest level of divinity on this Earth, just like the story of Apollonius you told us about, it's been how I wish from childhood that people will encounter divinity through me,( that's y I do the God power rituals every day; "our Queen Astarte, Father Beelzebul , Azazel which I recently replace with Lord valefor).
Well, I'll walk the road and not talk. Thank you HP HC, I love you for all your sacrifice, if you and HP Pythia weren't here, I'll be a yearning soul that longs for home but can't find, that will be the saddest thing and very frustrating knowing strongly that the Truth abounds but can't reach it... I'm truly grateful, it's like JOS happened for me.

HAIL SATAN
HAIL ALL THE Gods of Elysium .
HAIL THE Zevios FOR HIS SACRIFICE
HAIL Pythia FOR HER INNOVATION AND SACRIFICE
HAIL OR MY BROTHERS WHO HAVE BEEN WORKING e.g Blitzkrieg, Lydia, soaringeagle, Egon etc..
HAIL All my brothers and sisters who like me haven't contributed a dime, for we will wake up to our home soon and put efforts for we are JOS
HAIL THE JOY OF THE JOY OF SATAN.

I LOVE YOU ALL.

 

[Bluecollarbutch666]

Ahh i have one suggestion that could help improve the JOS astro site, if possible. When one attempts to enter the city of birth the options to choose from are not specific enough and generic. For example, You type in your city and press search and one or two options come up along with the country. One of the only two options that shows up with mine shows as follows (name of my city, Chicago, USA) These options we can choose from as far as locations just seem too general and generic when it should be as accurate as possible.

USA is correct but Chicago is entirely in the north of the states and on a different timezone. Besides, there are other cities with this very same name in different states and time zones, and this counts for other cities as well. It seems to also explain why the degrees differ by one or half at least compared to astro.com. (if still seen as fairly accurate) Just a thought. Maybe it would be better to be able to choose city AND state from a dropdown menu?

 

[The Alchemist7 [SG]]

Criticism and Feedback: How Can We Improve?

It's been raised before by more of us that it might be a good idea to create 2 categories inside the main Joy of Satan 666 forum, one for spiritual matters and one for non-spirtitual matters. This has the obvious advantage of categorization of the content and then the two separate categories will hold new posts on the their first page for longer time, therefore most likely getting more views and exposure as there might be many members that login after such posts are already on the second page and many might not be checking there. There are probably many threads being opened daily so this will likely help. Also if this is considered, all existing threads from the main forum would also have to be moved inside those categories depending on where they fit.

 

[AristocraticDragon666]

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-High Priest Zevios Metathronos

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1. Create a weekly blog, a topic where every beginner or advanced can ask the HP Zevios Metathronos or guardians questions and get answers (for starters, as part of the experiment).
2. If there are many questions, then for example it will be possible to introduce a restriction: No more than 1-3 questions. For example, if the problem is that it is not possible to answer all the questions due to the number of questions coming in, or if they get lost in a lot of messages.

I ask you to forgive me, if I am insolent and breaking the chain of command.

You are not breaking anything, because you are expressing a problem that requires to be addressed and we are here to address this and help other newer members and also improve ourselves. Also you wrote very constructive feedback.

If someone can accumulate these questions, I can actually answer them. They have to be in a category. Or somehow like this. Then every so often I can answer these en masse.

I am very sorry, as much as I would like to answer every single question, my time is actually constrained. Many members even those who might be newer have all the necessary knowledge to answer you however in full and correctly.

Perhaps putting a greater emphasis on Ritual's and cleaning for new people.

Perhaps like a month or two of doing cleaning and Ritual's before starting with powermeditation.

I think the minimum before one engages in Ritual after one dedicates should be 3 months. At 3 months, one can try, but only to see how Spiritual Warfare would work. The average preparation time should be 6 months.

One could cross this rule here, but one must understand why it would exist.

I am very pleased to hear that. Thank you very much, in the coming weeks I will prepare a list of questions and publish. I understand you, my time constrained too. After a working day, I cannot spend my free time on everything I want to do, I have to sacrifice something and choose what to do.

 

[AristocraticDragon666]

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You can ask any question in this topic and we will try to answer you.

https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=15534

Thank you, in the coming weeks I will prepare a list of questions and publish in this topic.

 

[Henu the Great]

Ahh i have one suggestion that could help improve the JOS astro site, if possible. When one attempts to enter the city of birth the options to choose from are not specific enough and generic. For example, You type in your city and press search and one or two options come up along with the country. One of the only two options that shows up with mine shows as follows (name of my city, Chicago, USA) These options we can choose from as far as locations just seem too general and generic when it should be as accurate as possible.

USA is correct but Chicago is entirely in the north of the states and on a different timezone. Besides, there are other cities with this very same name in different states and time zones, and this counts for other cities as well. It seems to also explain why the degrees differ by one or half at least compared to astro.com. (if still seen as fairly accurate) Just a thought. Maybe it would be better to be able to choose city AND state from a dropdown menu?

1. Suggestions can be quoted directly to Hidden Warrior who is responsible for the programming of that site.

https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=397055#p397055

2. Manual coordinates can be inserted. Find the coordinates of the location you have in mind and enter them in the manual coordinates fields.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

-High Priest Zevios Metathronos

My criticism and one of the biggest reasons I am not very active on the forums as I used to be.

Is the quality of posts. I usually read the most active topics but for sometime now, the trashiest, most time-wasting and toxic posts that garner attention goes to the top. This is not a good algorithm for trying to find spiritual info and wisdom.

What I do to offset this is reading the recent posts and replies of members that I highly-trust I will learn something new especially brother NakedPluto but also Lydia, VoE, Shadowkat, Blitz, etc. But this is not very efficient as a community.

We have to find a way to better move quality and informative posts to the top. (Other than announcements.)

Also, there should be a system in place if we can't ban some low quality and trash drama posts at least get them to the very bottom of the forums where they get zero attention and doesn't distract us from our spiritual growth.

I second this

The risk remains high that by creating forum after forum, then forums do not accumulate the necessary posting. If one sees too many forums, that doesn't mean one will participate. For many, it can create confusion.

The general forum can be seen as an open ancient forum of Rome. When you walk around, you must be aware you might hear things that you do not like or might make you feel like crap. As an advanced member, one must be able to handle this, and move on with helping anyway.

The placing of the forums has to do with replies and post time, when they were posted. This is what bumps posts up.

A real goal is always to make what is crap into something useful. Guardians tend to do this, even with replies on the seemingly creepy posts.

It's also not disallowed to just want to talk.

JoS used to have an "advanced meditators" section and so on. Creating 10 sections where people just wait and nobody does much into them is not going to improve anything.

I am also replying to Alchemist on this later in the replies where he has made a reasonable proposition.

A more guided approach for new members, as in advice about what meditation to do next, how much to practice it, when is one apt to switch to another one, how does one know they've done it correctly, variations in intensity etc, branching to more advanced meditations, and suggestions of meditation routines. I know someone should be able to figure these on the way, but in the beginning it can be very discouraging, not knowing what to do, and it can halt progress.

I don't want to put pressure on Clergy's shoulders, and I understand as I'm not an English native myself, but it would help in future library projects if Sermons/pages would be devoid of typos or grammatical errors, since the editing part would be much lighter and we'd only have to format it, which is pretty fast for a readied document. We'd be much more efficient in updating our library.

I understand what you mean here, yet the important aspect is that you must start developing and actively seeking after the Gods to this. They will lead you to clues and help, which might or might not arrive in the forums, or has been posted in the forums. But I get what you mean.

I agree on the need of guides for beginners, which some have existed in the past, or like the 40 day program. I think these should extent and should be made to cover for up to the first year.

Are you maybe able to program your mail inbox to categorize e-mails related to projects in a subfolder or subfolders? That way nothing pertaining to the JoS projects gets accidentally buried, and you can open the folders containing those messages at your leisure when you have time. Is that possible so that correspondence can be made simpler and more expedient? Or do the e-mail providers not allow for such customization?

Other than that, I really don't know what to complain about. :lol:

I actually have, and my mailbox is still a mess. I think I leave almost nothing unanswered. But I still have delay issues.

I am really trying to organize these, it's been mostly a success, still a long way to go with this.

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How can we improve ?
Starting from ourselves. I found I was too much prone to quick and harsh reactions to any criticism, the root of this was inside me. This comes from childhood, false expectations from relatives, hang-ups etc. This ingrained into a part of my mind - I won't goo deeper as it may be different from everyone.
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Preach, preach. That's the important thing. I also want to show that criticism is not evil at all. It's necessary. That's why this post and the other post focus on expression and then the criticism.

Criticism and Feedback: How Can We Improve?

It's been raised before by more of us that it might be a good idea to create 2 categories inside the main Joy of Satan 666 forum, one for spiritual matters and one for non-spirtitual matters. This has the obvious advantage of categorization of the content and then the two separate categories will hold new posts on the their first page for longer time, therefore most likely getting more views and exposure as there might be many members that login after such posts are already on the second page and many might not be checking there. There are probably many threads being opened daily so this will likely help. Also if this is considered, all existing threads from the main forum would also have to be moved inside those categories depending on where they fit.

Ready to do this as requested, but the situation is, what many people cannot handle, is actually nothing else but ignorance or newcomers. Isolating them into a dead forum is a not question. Advanced brothers have to stomach this. HPS Pythia and the Gods have reiterated to me again and again, there are not fools or foolish questions.

I used to ask stupid things more than a decade ago. Some people answered. Not all times, but sometimes they did. It helped.

If this is to be done, I want a functional and very clear laid out thing that will succeed, and not something based on emotion. Yes, I have been told certain people cringe when they read certain things, but if you go back to your first posts ever [like all of us] one might cringe. If not posts, then notes.

So far, the separation of spiritual questions and general conversation is the most sensible way of dividing things proposed.

One thing can be astrology, there are only methods to interpret planets in signs or aspects to people.

It would be nice to have them for other things too, like business, sports, warfare, and more.

There is a whole branch of astrology for this, but I get what you mean. I could see this on the far future of astrology. For example, how to predict a National war.

Now will really be a great time to read about valeferon

Yes, pretty soon. His page will be magnificent.

THANKS


The next aspect of the project might include Categorization of material, but also the keywords and a search aimed at keywords.

I would like to do this type of project, categorization, it speaks to me. But with translation projects, I'm afraid I won't be able to honor my commitments, and I'd hate that, to promise and have it go unfulfilled.
However, I can participate if there is a team provided, just to be a backup. If you wish of course.

I can't wait for the Valefor page, thanks

Never say never sister, just do your best. Maybe 6 months from now you will be looking at your own help and contributions and be like "wow, I have grown and helped immensely!".

 

[Bluecollarbutch666]

-High Priest Zevios Metathronos

My criticism and one of the biggest reasons I am not very active on the forums as I used to be.

Is the quality of posts. I usually read the most active topics but for sometime now, the trashiest, most time-wasting and toxic posts that garner attention goes to the top. This is not a good algorithm for trying to find spiritual info and wisdom.

What I do to offset this is reading the recent posts and replies of members that I highly-trust I will learn something new especially brother NakedPluto but also Lydia, VoE, Shadowkat, Blitz, etc. But this is not very efficient as a community.

We have to find a way to better move quality and informative posts to the top. (Other than announcements.)

Also, there should be a system in place if we can't ban some low quality and trash drama posts at least get them to the very bottom of the forums where they get zero attention and doesn't distract us from our spiritual growth.

I second this

Hey good to see you! I actually tried to sent you an email this past summer to include you in a collaboration of astrology articles Dahaarkan asked me to write. I figured you were pretty busy. Hope all is well!

 

[The Alchemist7 [SG]]

If this is to be done, I want a functional and very clear laid out thing that will succeed, and not something based on emotion. Yes, I have been told certain people cringe when they read certain things, but if you go back to your first posts ever [like all of us] one might cringe. If not posts, then notes.

Indeed separating the main forum in the categories mentioned requires a bit of research: How many threads are being opened every day? How many are related to spirituality and how many are non-spiritual matters? If we would be able to research the number of threads opened daily in the last say couple months, a report can be created to model, predict and quantify the potential activity each sub-forum (spiritual and non-spiritual) might have if they are opened. This can help us figure out whether any of them will end up as dead forums because we would roughly know based on the past activity how many threads are likely to be opened daily.

I wanted to raise this given the opportunity provided by this thread but as you said before, if the activity increases so much in the future that one forum becomes unbearable to contain it, then something will need to be done and this is likely to be the easiest solution. We are not there yet, most likely. In my opinion the existing singular forum will be over-crowded and unable to contain the content when there will be so many threads opened in one day that many of them will end up on the second page within a few hours or something, which means that not many members would have had the chance or time to read them, depending on when they login. What needs to be added here is the number of older posts that members are replying to, and are brought on the top of the list. The goal I am proposing here is that new threads should be on the first page for as long as possible so as many members will have the chance to read them when they login, increasing the chances for the posters to get their questions answered more easily and by more people.

Another factor that needs considered here is whether the existing members will be active on both spiritual and non-spiritual forums and not just on one of them because as you said this might create a certain degree of isolation in one of the forums (probably the non-spiritual one). The whole idea can definitely be researched in detail and realistical predictions can be drawn from this.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

If this is to be done, I want a functional and very clear laid out thing that will succeed, and not something based on emotion. Yes, I have been told certain people cringe when they read certain things, but if you go back to your first posts ever [like all of us] one might cringe. If not posts, then notes.

Indeed separating the main forum in the categories mentioned requires a bit of research: How many threads are being opened every day? How many are related to spirituality and how many are non-spiritual matters? If we would be able to research the number of threads opened daily in the last say couple months, a report can be created to model, predict and quantify the potential activity each sub-forum (spiritual and non-spiritual) might have if they are opened. This can help us figure out whether any of them will end up as dead forums because we would roughly know based on the past activity how many threads are likely to be opened daily.

I wanted to raise this given the opportunity provided by this thread but as you said before, if the activity increases so much in the future that one forum becomes unbearable to contain it, then something will need to be done and this is likely to be the easiest solution. We are not there yet, most likely. In my opinion the existing singular forum will be over-crowded and unable to contain the content when there will be so many threads opened in one day that many of them will end up on the second page within a few hours or something, which means that not many members would have had the chance or time to read them, depending on when they login. What needs to be added here is the number of older posts that members are replying to, and are brought on the top of the list. The goal I am proposing here is that new threads should be on the first page for as long as possible so as many members will have the chance to read them when they login, increasing the chances for the posters to get their questions answered more easily and by more people.

Another factor that needs considered here is whether the existing members will be active on both spiritual and non-spiritual forums and not just on one of them because as you said this might create a certain degree of isolation in one of the forums (probably the non-spiritual one). The whole idea can definitely be researched in detail and realistical predictions can be drawn from this.

I agree, that's why we didn't instantly go with this. I think further observation is needed.

 

[Fuchs]

The forums are a mess.

We have several different subjects in one main category in the English section. I would imagine the situation is not much better in other communities. All the useful spiritual info and topics for guidance are next to less useful posts, outright blasphemy, usual trolling tirades, news articles, and so on and so forth. I believe there is an ongoing effort to gather all the useful material into one file. This would have been avoided if there was one section for spiritual info and counseling from the get-go or at least updated at some point, and other sections for news, off-topic, and so on.

I would welcome an initiative to reorganize topics. But first alternative sections would have to be created and perhaps other modifications made for this platform.

There was mention of requesting for adding additional visible markers for the hierarchy. I would propose two levels below JGs, those being Librarians, and Library assistants. Librarians would be those who have contributed considerably and consistently over time to the JoS and Library assistants would be those who have consistently contributed for the benefit of the community. This would give a clearer picture to people who they are talking to as those who handle more material also might know and understand a bit more than those who do not. This, however, is not something very urgent or perhaps needed at all, but seeing that this pops up here and there, there might be something to this idea.

I think it would be beneficial as you mentioned if for new posts we could have categories like:

Infoposts, Political, News...
Questions

So we do not have the problem, if one wants to answer open questions they have to read through all the info posts etc.

Also that one only can search for the posts according to language. So one does not see other language posts then the ones one did mark.

 

[Gerecht_Ror]

I am not the most active member at the moment, but I have witnessed the groups and then the forums in their evolution. I see, we are getting close to a change and a big development for the forums at now.
As the forum has accumulated years in terms of energies, I would suggest to change the forum colour and layout.
I have learned how the mind can stay stuck in behavioral patterns due to symbols you have in front of your eyes. Changing color and layout may trigger a different approach from members.
Just my 2 cents,

 

[Power of Justice [SG]]

One thing that came to mind while I was translating the Spiritual Warfare Training Program is there is no mention of timing your workings with the moon, most importantly the void of course moon. I see so many newcomers say they are doing such and such meditation, then ask the most obvious question(to us anyway) that is answered multiple times on the JoS website, and when you ask them if they have even read anything on the JoS aside from the flashy meditations, they say no.

I feel it is crucial especially in the training programs to have a mention of it at least and to stress it's importance, as these will likely be a Spiritual Satanist's first steps.

 

[Queen of the Stars]

There's no options to sort search result by most views or engagements and titles, which would help people find the the discussions with the most info, but even that isn't always great since that can be a lot of reading. It feels like it shouldn't be this difficult to find answers to questions that have been answered here, but with no way of rating posts (which I understand why they can't be) that also means no way of making it easier to find very good sources of information and great posts by other users here.

I don't know or have the perfect solution, but at the very least more options for the search engine would be a great improvement.

How come 'rating' / 'reputation score' isn't a viable option?

Satanama <3

 

[Beetlejuice]

The Website needs a total revamp. I recommend a JavaScript framework like react to bring everything under a single domain. JOS Astro could be directly intergraded into the site this way.

All references to the Yahoo groups need to be scrubbed for ancient forums.

The Astrology page needs to be updated with References to Website icon which used to be a pentagram should be restored.

I could go on but maybe a topic should be opened and everyone can report bugs.

Honestly I discovered JOS when I was in 6th grade. I preformed my dedication at 12 years old and I mainly printed most of the site way back when HP Pythia was the only one posting sermon's on the main site and the other HPs were in the yahoo groups but back then only dial up was in my area and I didn't have time for forums because it wasn't worth the load times. It hurts my heart to see the site in such disarray I would be happy to give any advise from my experience in Web Development to help bring it up to date for the next generation and so on.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

I am not the most active member at the moment, but I have witnessed the groups and then the forums in their evolution. I see, we are getting close to a change and a big development for the forums at now.
As the forum has accumulated years in terms of energies, I would suggest to change the forum colour and layout.
I have learned how the mind can stay stuck in behavioral patterns due to symbols you have in front of your eyes. Changing color and layout may trigger a different approach from members.
Just my 2 cents,

We are looking into being able to adjust your own "theme" and choose from a few themes, in regards to the forum.

One thing that came to mind while I was translating the Spiritual Warfare Training Program is there is no mention of timing your workings with the moon, most importantly the void of course moon. I see so many newcomers say they are doing such and such meditation, then ask the most obvious question(to us anyway) that is answered multiple times on the JoS website, and when you ask them if they have even read anything on the JoS aside from the flashy meditations, they say no.

I feel it is crucial especially in the training programs to have a mention of it at least and to stress it's importance, as these will likely be a Spiritual Satanist's first steps.

All of this needs to be redone, and likely, the 40 day program to be made longer [3 months] with all of this being instructionally written inside the program. Therefore, such a program would need to be penned and edited by more than one people, building upon the foundation of the 40 day program that I have created.

I can write the meditations in a series of days, but others will have to write all the notes that you mention here, including likely a growth-focused FAQ.

The Website needs a total revamp. I recommend a JavaScript framework like react to bring everything under a single domain. JOS Astro could be directly intergraded into the site this way.

All references to the Yahoo groups need to be scrubbed for ancient forums.

The Astrology page needs to be updated with References to Website icon which used to be a pentagram should be restored.

I could go on but maybe a topic should be opened and everyone can report bugs.

Honestly I discovered JOS when I was in 6th grade. I preformed my dedication at 12 years old and I mainly printed most of the site way back when HP Pythia was the only one posting sermon's on the main site and the other HPs were in the yahoo groups but back then only dial up was in my area and I didn't have time for forums because it wasn't worth the load times. It hurts my heart to see the site in such disarray I would be happy to give any advise from my experience in Web Development to help bring it up to date for the next generation and so on.

Thank you for the very constructive criticism. Do contact me at [email protected] and we will work with the rest of the team to apply together the recommendations.

I really liked your recommendation of bringing JoS Astro into the Astrology Section, very well pointed. My e-mail is open, just know I might have a little delayed responses, which I try to minimize at a 24H interval.

 

[SleepingWolf]

There's no options to sort search result by most views or engagements and titles, which would help people find the the discussions with the most info, but even that isn't always great since that can be a lot of reading. It feels like it shouldn't be this difficult to find answers to questions that have been answered here, but with no way of rating posts (which I understand why they can't be) that also means no way of making it easier to find very good sources of information and great posts by other users here.

I don't know or have the perfect solution, but at the very least more options for the search engine would be a great improvement.

How come 'rating' / 'reputation score' isn't a viable option?

Satanama <3

I think it could be viable but the implementation would be a lot trickier. I'm sure other members could explain it better, but using a basic upvote/downvote scoring method may encourage unwanted behaviors and trolls fishing for it, or a rougher screening of accounts to not just score each other in that way.

Maybe if the JoS Guardians could be the ones in charge of running that, but that also sounds too much like a social credit score, so many people here would be averse to that I think. Rating posts by their usability, and hopefully the ability to add and moderate tags for meditation knowledge, specific types of knowledge, would be a huge fix for the search engine alone, but I know it's not a very easy fix, even with my limited understanding of coding, I know it's not an easy thing to make something troll proof.

 

[13th_Wolf]

Hey good to see you! I actually tried to sent you an email this past summer to include you in a collaboration of astrology articles Dahaarkan asked me to write. I figured you were pretty busy. Hope all is well!

Hey, I saw your email a while ago, sorry for not replying. I could have a go at it now or whatever else if its still on the table ?

I've been focusing on myself moreso the past year, whenever I come here and post its quick for me to become delusional for some reason unless I get serious about what we're all here for. Its no use writing and pulling people out the mud if I'm stuck too.

I might post again though because it's good for a lot of reasons, I just needed to mature somewhat.

 

[Bluecollarbutch666]

Hey good to see you! I actually tried to sent you an email this past summer to include you in a collaboration of astrology articles Dahaarkan asked me to write. I figured you were pretty busy. Hope all is well!

Hey, I saw your email a while ago, sorry for not replying. I could have a go at it now or whatever else if its still on the table ?

I've been focusing on myself moreso the past year, whenever I come here and post its quick for me to become delusional for some reason unless I get serious about what we're all here for. Its no use writing and pulling people out the mud if I'm stuck too.

I might post again though because it's good for a lot of reasons, I just needed to mature somewhat.

Those have been finished for sometime but it's alright glad all is well

 

[squaremcs]

I would like that the gods are more active and that JoS becomes more and more spiritual and physical and we bring more VIP people to our side, this I don't know how but we should reach out and find those special individuals who can do good work for our side. I think that the gods can help us here and to appoint more people into HP status

 

[Dahaarkan]

I do not agree with the current stance of granting accounts what is in my opinion excessive leniency in certain situations. While I don't criticize the time it takes to approve posts because to my understanding you are short-staffed in this regard, what I do criticize is trolls being permitted to shit on the forums with impunity.

I see way too often people responding to these troll accounts and deconstructing their statements oblivious to the fact that this is exactly the point of trolling which is getting people to waste time responding to their fallacies which they construct deliberately.

Any account that is confirmed or admitted to trolling needs to be banned immediately on the spot and none of these posts should be approved. It doesn't reflect well upon the rest of your audience that they sometimes must wait up to 24 hours to have their post approved only for it to be placed alongside a schizo lunatic's rant and a troll trying to piss people off.

It begs the question what is even the point of having mods if the trash makes it onto the forums anyway. I understand a sizeable portion of people who go off the rails this is a consequence of enemy influence. But to my understanding nothing prevents one from creating another account and continuing to use the forums for their primary function which is staying informed and asking questions related to Satanism.

I understand the whole enemy influence thing but this is a responsibility of the individual to liberate themselves from it. I too had a schizo phase years ago from joining a covenant of delusional retards early in this path. The retarded bullshit I was attempting to post at this stage was rightfully disapproved.

Helping individuals surpass their delusions and liberate themselves from enemy influence should not come at the expense of quality of communications in the forums.

To prove a point, as of writing this post I am looking at the first page of the JoS666 forum, and there are 67 threads excluding the pinned ones.

This week's clown alone (across his 2 accounts) has a presence in 12 of those threads. That represents ~18% of the front page of the forums. 18% of the posts in the first page alone have the same retard posting excrement with impunity and people responding to this further escalating the shitball.

18% is generous, if I actually open all of them, the percentage of posts that have schizos, retards or trolls in them is likely higher.

Quality > Quantity. And I think I speak for most of us when I say it is better to have less activity but have it be meaningful communication between genuine members, than to have a more active forum infested with trolls and retards.

The people complaining that there's too much censorship are the people who want to be given leniency to continue to shit all over the forums and troll the community. When one walks into any place that fosters a community, be it online or in the flesh, and one begins to act like a retard and cause problems, one is kicked out and this is completely normal.

Likewise if you run any kind of business or community and you notice someone with bad intentions, you don't allow them to enter in the first place, or if they are already inside you kick them out. But for some reason these people keep crying that this is censorship or whatever.

Go into a bar and start behaving like a retard trying to piss everybody off and see how quickly you get kicked out no matter how much you cry "censorship!!!".

The doors are always open to gentiles to question, learn and discover Satanism regardless of background, but when one begins to piss on the floor and behave like a disrespectful ape, one needs to be removed. Personally, I think this is reasonable.

These are just my thoughts/feedback.

 

[1BlackTrail3]

After the recent post and the overwhelming positive and necessary points about future goals and advancement. That has been an impressive post.

I marvelled reading the many positive comments, especially those who mentioned how much Spiritual Satanism and the Gods have changed you and improved you. We must build further on this.

Most of the things mentioned are already under way. Admittedly that is very positive. The communal value is supposed to increase all the time.

Part of this is dealing with potential mistakes.

Now, it would also be a good idea before the end of the material year, to start another conversation.

This would be over things where you think there should be improvement or constitute mistakes.

Here, we might speak of mistakes or even criticism, but we must focus on this: It has to be functional and of use, and presented properly.

For useful conversation, even if this is aimed at other members or the community, it would be a good idea to express in a respectable manner. Among kin and like minded people with a common mission that is important.

If someone also has negative feedback or even very negative comments, I am open to listen to these of course, but I would request to treat other JoS members with respect, especially people who toil for everyone else everyday.

That is not a question for infiltrators, but for members. Except if maybe you are lukewarm infiltrators who are actually with us but you still say bullshit to yourself that you dislike "us" while you actually do not fall in this category in the end of the day.

That is not a post to isolate a member and start judging them, but rather for community improvement.

The degree of tolerance for error must be understood as being part of nature. We are disgnosing to raise the bar here, not to break people who already want to give.

Further, if one is new or one has not much to point out, then maybe one could write about how they would expect to have a better experience. Or what made you struggle in learning or something similar.

Recognition of errors must happen on a basis of experience. But all opinions welcome.

Example: There has been a lot of editorial errors in many posts or even webpages. There were mistakes. We located them and fixed them. The outcome is that through pointing these mistakes and doing the proper criticism, then putting the work, the errors are being more and more fixed. The aim is to remove these mistakes.

The aim is this: To find out potential areas of improvement and have an upwards going trajectory for the good of the Gods and the JoS community, to reflect this back on members, for our collective growth.


-High Priest Zevios Metathronos

I don't know if it brings any negative fact to teach the Enochian language, that is, to better explain the forms of conjugation of the language in Enochian, in order to make your own prayers, letters or other writings to the gods. I mention this because understanding the alphabet is easy but perhaps when putting it with grammar rules it is a bit complex.

:arrow: I think there should be classes about this great language.

Thanks for reading the suggestion.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

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Helping individuals surpass their delusions and liberate themselves from enemy influence should not come at the expense of quality of communications in the forums.
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These are just my thoughts/feedback.

Correct, I also read the feedback.

Three trash accounts who likely did this are basically wiped out now. It doesn't take long for them to be wiped out, and they always are.

It would be a good idea to also write some criticism here, especially in regards to when advanced members do bullshit like emotional fights, sissy fits on new members, or similar things, "because they can't tolerate them".

Any crap done by the new members, even if they are "trolls" or just kids who play around, is not damaging to the least extent here. Yet, nobody has had the self righteousness to write about how it goes when advanced members actually throw the above behaviours.

Therefore, to balance the first, the second must be balanced as recommended here. Additionally, emotional maturity is needed to handle these "kids" or "trolls" that run around, instead of pretending they are an infectious element that cannot be contained, or acting like the security needs to go in every-time and cut their heads.

Essentially what is written here to the severity level as it's presented, is like pretending there is a riot in the city because there are actually a few school fights going on per day, and advocating the SWAT teams need to quarantine the city because of a few kids going around, and then some adults who were supposed to be advanced and maturely handle things, getting in the fights too for whatever reason.

That is wrong, and while there is a problem, the perceived severity is not as much. If one thinks that someone else is wrong, or in these categories mentioned, they are to be helped out of this and explained on what is what.

Lastly, the community also has to learn to let trolls starve, as it's done in any large scale platform where people have to go there.

An "impunity" troll will get their treatment, which is with certainty a ban or a deletion. With that stated the pussy talk that some kids trolling here and there, is actually the major problem, more than let's say:

1. Not doing work that is ordained for advanced members to do

2. Complete lack of emotional control that could also have many labelled as "impunity", which does too come from advanced members

3. Thinking "Mods" are to be called like the mafia to get into every kindergarten streetfight, because people jumped in like monkeys, all while "COMPLAINING" that these were trolls

4. How members who themselves have done a lot of this or had schizo phases literally ask to "Burn the schizo's!!" because now one might be healed from other entities likely cleaning one's diapers [Which were likely as smelly as you complain the ones you or others might have to clean out are now].

I agree about the general falsehood of their perceived "Censorship" which is just used by trolls to eventually justify nonsense.

The points about the mods are off. There is not a 24 hour or even that close of a waiting time at this point, and half the forum with any member is unmoderated.

The above 4 points covered would cover 85% of the problem, which is mostly a perception based problem, or weak ass excuses to deny reality, and the reality of for example what people might come in, what problems they might have, etc.

I agree on stomping out the obvious trolls.

 

[Lunar Dance 666]

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The points about the mods are off. There is not a 24 hour or even that close of a waiting time at this point, and half the forum with any member is unmoderated.

The above 4 points covered would cover 85% of the problem, which is mostly a perception based problem, or weak ass excuses to deny reality, and the reality of for example what people might come in, what problems they might have, etc.

I agree on stomping out the obvious trolls.

I am still on moderation yet Ive been here for years. Is there any particular reason for this?

 

[Dahaarkan]

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Helping individuals surpass their delusions and liberate themselves from enemy influence should not come at the expense of quality of communications in the forums.
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These are just my thoughts/feedback.

Correct, I also read the feedback.
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People calling for mods to act or get involved in petty arguments stems from an issue where people spend too much time online and begin to perceive things incorrectly. And begin to see pretty insignificant and unimportant things as being more serious than they actually are.

A person expressing a different, or even outright wrong opinion on a subject is not really cause for mod intervention, and neither is it a reason to argue back and forth for a week. I do not believe people who do this are doing it from malice but simply overreaction and emotional imbalance, and inability to see how unimportant these issues really are.

As for schizo phases, and phases of lots of confusion and even delusional beliefs, I do think being removed from the platform entirely is more helpful than attempting to beat sense into these people, because what is required is not arguing for hours but the opposite, it is required that one shuts themselves away for a time to meditate, reflect and ground oneself.

If one is in a permanent state of stress, arguing, conflict and emotion, one is unable to reflect and ground themselves properly. You'll see me often telling people who are behaving strangely to just leave online communications for a time and spend time meditating and reflecting upon things. Many times the answer comes from within if one simply blocks all the noise and voices and give themself a chance to reflect upon things in silence and isolation.

To my understanding nothing prevents one from creating a new account and participating in a healthy manner again. So being banned for these behaviors is not some sort of capital punishment. In my own experience I took the initiative to distance myself from the place to reflect on my own, but if I had been banned for the insane posts I attempted to put up all those years ago the result would have been the same.

I would have just made another account and moved on. When I say I think people undergoing these issues need to be banned this is not from some sense of superiority or hatred but I genuinely believe that what they need is to be given silence and room to reflect upon things.

You don't see me shit talking people who have been banned for a reason and that is I always hold the hope that they were genuine and are improving and getting back on the right track, and will return to contribute to JoS and the struggle sometime later, or already have under a different name.

I believe many long time members have corrected overly harsh and emotional responses in general. Still occurs here and there, but I think the situation is vastly improved from say 2 or 3 years ago. There is much more benefit of the doubt, patience and time given to people who are lost or behaving strangely, rather than the dogpile approach one would see often in the past.

I was both a part of the problem and also later one of the people who complained the most about this issue, and I think this situation has improved drastically.

Also for what it's worth my criticisms are made with full awareness that I too am not perfect and in many ways was a part of the problem on multiple points. I have no interest in sitting here pretending to be flawless or anything.

 

[SShiva_fr]

I completely agree with Daharkaan for ALL the reasons he states. So I'm not going to say them again.

Allowing them to go crazy makes this place much less attractive and probably discourages shy people who would like to ask questions.

Not to mention the unfairness. Because yes, sometimes I have to wait a long time for a post to be approved and they, by not doing anything for the JoS finally get the same treatment, while doing shit.

Discouraging. Demotivating.

Also, for many, this place is a comfort, you find your family. You want a comfortable place. Not a dumping ground for crazy people and insults and other nonsense.

Finally, for me it is blaspheming the Gods. And I find that very serious.

I solved all this spite, by posting less and it will be so in the future.

No matter how much criticism I get for my message, it is important to say what you feel and think.

 

[BlueLake666]

Though I do not know how important this may seem, I need we shall add on the bottom of the forums a *Do not sell information* disclosure.

I think it should be added since, even if people use usernames here, there is some information like Facebook or YouTube channel links that can be provided and there is no certainty that this data is only stored in the JoS forums servers only, thus leasing in some scarcity of trust with the personal data.

Also the cookies that are implied and people may think that some cookies are used to steal data, thing which is logically unplausible since cookies do not work this way.

But, just to say it, some peopleay find it weird that there is no Do not sell my information button, that when clicked on would show the policy of JoS regarding strict confidentiality.

Another suggestion is that there should also be an option to remove the links from the Danish JoS or at least try to update some of the links and then put the actual links, either way, removing the old ones as it only creates unnecessary server space occupation and also confusion.

This same measure of removing the links that are old or updating the links and put the actual ones after the upgrading process needs to be taken on the Spanish JoS (Alegria de Enki) forum.

And, as a final suggestion, just like on the joS main website, I think there should be added an option for reading with people who have visual deficiencies. Add something like that button on the JoS main site that can change the background color and text color for the users who have reading problems.

Waiting for your answers on this matter.

Hail Satan

And... besides what I wrote... the forums are great and it is time worthy when staying on them.

Truly the best moments of my Zevism life here

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

I completely agree with Daharkaan for ALL the reasons he states. So I'm not going to say them again.
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I solved all this spite, by posting less and it will be so in the future.

No matter how much criticism I get for my message, it is important to say what you feel and think.

I am completely aware of what both of you are trying to show to me, and we have had long conversations with the moderation too, which are to be extended here.

I have to apologize if delay of response [all these people are out now] has made it a bit unbearable. However, to clear someone out, there has to be a form of proof of ill intent, then a couple of opportunities, then it happens.

Clearly, we are improving as time goes, as this process isn't really that easy. It looks like an immediate ban is the solution, but there is always more to that one has to take into account.

In regards to trolls, that is an online thing, which is unavoidable. To put it even more simply, if you allow everything a troll does to get to you, this means you put the troll above what matters.

Years ago, there was an Zevism who for all purposes was a great person, very friendly and so on. Eventually, as he went into alcoholism, he went up and started writing crap about me. They were never banned, as they told me about their problem, and we worked it out. The ban hammer would have resulted in this problem overshadowing his future. Eventually, he defeated alcoholism due to acceptance.

This has to be addressed on an intellectual and emotional level inside. You are also about to be out of moderation any day now, so that is that, in regards to personal "treatment". You are making a logical error and putting down yourself too much here sister, likely out of anger.

I think you are allowing this to get emotionally to you, in particular because they agitate you to a high extent. Generally, one must look at trolls like one looks at something useless, which does not deserve attention.

This brings us back to the point about how much you involve yourself in that.

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People calling for mods to act or get involved in petty arguments stems from an issue where people spend too much time online and begin to perceive things incorrectly. And begin to see pretty insignificant and unimportant things as being more serious than they actually are.

It is not proven that kicking out people addresses anything, let alone delusions. This rejection, causes isolation. Isolation sometimes is the fastest ticket into insanity. The biggest people who have delusion problems are afraid to speak, because they know it will end up in a ban, or because these problems tend to isolate people by their nature.

This is against their help and advancement. Most people also cannot know instantly what is "delusional" especially in a new telltale situation of endless spiritual experiences. An unwelcoming climate is therefore wrong.

Not to mention, HPS Pythia has reiterated to me always "No question is too stupid" and to allow 99.9% of people to talk, because this is a fundamental basis of logic.

When a certain threshold of disrespect is crossed, then the ban or removal always occurs.

To a legitimate but problem encountering member, this can be equal to sending them down a hole, instead of being answered and taken care of.

How "you" would have reacted to a hypothetical ban, which one could argue through the history of a person in the forum, is not how someone else might have reacted.

I very much agree on the improvement, and this is also majorly due to the fact of understanding how one can help better, added to the fact of personal progress which highlights and reflects after 2-3 years.

In that regard, decisions to kick in on out, there is more than meets the eye. To name an example, some people might need attention for reasons which might look like attacks on the surface, but the real underlying issues do not get solved by an immediate ban.

Decisions the moderators have to take, often-times borderlines some sort of judicial small level process. By increasing the threshold of the ban and the limits, one knows that if one is banned, then they have seriously fucked up.

But throwing bans lightly eventually reduces their value, for example.

I take both of the points you mentioned and will say that trashers who just make 1-2 day old accounts to attack, will be stomped immediately, as 99% of the time, we are talking about this.

 

[Ài Gōng]

This could be solved with some sort of disclaimer for new people, that they might encounter this type of posts here but these does not represent our intents or image etc. or they should not be afraid of posting because aggressive posters or trolls.

...and probably discourages shy people who would like to ask questions.
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Also, for many, this place is a comfort, you find your family. You want a comfortable place. Not a dumping ground for crazy people and insults and other nonsense.

Finally, for me it is blaspheming the Gods. And I find that very serious...

 

[TrueySS]

I think the right step would be to fix the foundation. Without the foundation, any structure will crumble. New Zevists are generally divided into three groups:

1. those who follow the tortoise bluntly following the 40-day program in which there is not even an opening of the 6th chakra and yet there is an opening of the crown chakra which according to ToZ should be opened after the 6th chakra, and then the 6-month program which is from 2007 since more than a lot has changed. A free method that usually ends with "Then it's important to do AoC, AoP and VoC every day."

2 Those who do too much rush at the beginning, I belong to them and my motive was the path of hard work. This is, of course my foolishness. The consequences are fatal:
-exhaustion
-energy that you don't really feel
-lots of different workings that don't work
-no senset
etc.
Only after some time of understanding are we able to rehabilitate.

3 The rest (inherently creative and smart people who have no problem with this)

So what should we add?

Definitely a bigger and improved program for new Satanists to be advanced enough that the knowledge from ToZ can be used indiscriminately, as part of their goals.

What will it give?
-Saving a lot of questions like "What's next?" "Am I ready?"
-Creation of strong young thinking zevists, who, thanks to the help at the beginning later on themselves will share their knowledge resources.
-More organized team

Each of us had that incompetent teacher because of whom we screwed up the subject, and then another one came and we understood all the material in a minute

Hp. Zevios. You have a lot of important things on your mind, after all, we are going like a battering ram! I saw your post regarding more priests. Maybe a priest for the new zevists?

 

[Gearshift]

I'd like to see the Colors, Star Energy, and Kabalistic square magickal properties revamped.

I'd like to see more color capacity and what they do especially for those who perform color magick or use color in their lives rather than white or better yet white-gold.

I'd also like to see Colors be updated or have a page "The Magickal Properties of Shades of Colors".

For example thanks to people like Lydia. We can infer dull, grimy, mucky nasty colors has offensive i.e. black magick capacity. While the opposite brilliant, iridescent, metallic, shiny colors are for white magick. But also shades of colors and combination of colors. EX: Lydia use shiny, brilliant black like a scrying mirror to use black energy. Think like Xmas multi-colored bulb lights only more brilliant and shiny than that but that gives you a reference imagine a black shiny bulb to use black.

I'd also like to see how we can better use colors what can and can't we use or how to use it better. For example Silver and Indigo both fit in imagination. Can I combine silver with indigo separately or together. Maybe Indigo background with shimmering silver like Green with shimmering gold as I explain below.

For example in the Blue section:

(use with green) investments, foundations, prosperity, and opportunity.

I'd like to see an image or more properly how we can combine colors properly. For example green with shimmering gold is on the internet search engine images section. A green background with gold stars but how do two solid colors look for example Blue + Green + Shimmering Gold for extra investments, foundations, prosperity, and opportunity.

Again I'd like to see more colors, more references added to colors, more shades of colors,

I'd like to see more cross-referencing with each other for example Venus Square can be used for "Perfect Beautiful Clothing for me", I guess we use Green energy = material gain and we derive clothes from the green spectrum. But I'd like to see and read this confirmed by a higher up member or Priesthood.

I'd like to see updates to the "Magickal Properties of Colors section". BTW in the same pack there is a few repeated words for example:

https://www.templeofzeus.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Color.html

Green Material gain. But it also states Venus rules material gain yet again. Does that mean it's affirming that we can use ANY green energy from any source like the Sun and on top of that you can also do it with pure Venutian. I'm a little confused, I'd like this webpage to be updated as the future goes in and people become more acquainted with Color Magick.

Also I'd like to see a second a basic, intermediate, and advanced guide on how to perform Metaphysical Imprints i.e. Directing energy.

We inasmuch know simply to use your imagination. But somethings are really tough. For example Lydia yet again replied to me and others. I can WILL the energy in ex: breath in gold(has kinda a darker tone than yellow) and breath/draw it into the solar plexus chakra. But at the same time Lydia yet again mentioned metaphysical imprint = more permanence as it sticks to the soul and background radiation to affect reality. I'd like to see more concepts, more ideas, and more creativity. As Lydia yet again mentioned to me and others sometimes with squares or high end workings or really important works anywhere from 5 minutes up to 20-30 minutes of visualization.

I'd like to know how realistic or unrealistic we can make it. Certainly having gold bars in your bedroom is unrealistic but what if that grants you gold investments and you have some of your wealth backed by gold. For example imagining people give you free money for no reason or for a small favor or you enter a bus as one member said, "and a lady came up to me in the bus and gave me 5 dollars. Stating I seemed like I needed the money." He thanked her and went on his way.

It's unrealistic that the World bends it's knee to your will and whims. But in magick and in the plausibility of it is well within the realms of plausibility.

I'd like to see a very in depth guide on how we can better direct/visualize stuff.

For example when cleaning the soul with vibration are we allowed to visualize the vibration emanate all over our soul along with electrical discharges as in real life lightning cleanses and produces O3(Ozone).

How realistic or unrealistic do I have to be. Some people are more planted to reality and make extra money from a realistic model but what about people such as myself who have an unrealistic mindset and live in cloud 9 for various reasons astrological and physicality wise.

Those are two things I'd like to see improvements towards Colors, Star Energy, and Kabalistic square properties not so much the squares I really regret doing them but the magkical rulership placed unto the colors/stars section. Shades of colors as well as a in depth guide on how to metaphysically imprint reality or better yet how to better take advantages of metaphysical imprinting. And an understanding that not just affirmation i.e. manipulator of reality and it's various clauses such as the effects clause or safety clause but also the visual property affirming to the user it's further imprinting into reality.

I'd like that very much especially with how difficult it is to visualize certain things it be nice to dispel my own as well as others errors and ways. I'd like to see more concrete data and along with experimentation from JoS to dispel any myths found along the way. Like a Scientist, Engineer, and Researcher.

P.S.: I'd also like to see a beginners, intermediate, and advanced guide on affirmations like metaphysical imprint. Some ideas how to better use present tense, improvements in using a dictionary and improving the weltanschaang of a person. Making things more specific for example the Color Yellow improves speech i.e. the very expression of the voice, the voice, the movement of the body, the way a person communicates. I'd like to see people be told as long as you understand the word and know the definition you can use it for example Speechcraft isn't a word but for RPGs like Morrowind speechcraft is the way in which your character influences and changes peoples mind and communicates better. It's a combination of speech itself i.e. the expression of your words and movements but also the crafting of the words to persuade, coerce, or change a persons mind sorta like magickal oratory ability.

I'd like to see affirmations as well be discussed at length to give people a more solid footing.

I'm reminded of my friend's statement that, "I dig too far into advanced concepts and stay stuck in a hole, going "How the fuck do I get out of here?"."

I'd like to see a better layout of beginners, intermediate, and *YES* advanced concepts.

If we are going to further our organization in the future it's only right to update the very paradigm we express. i.e. magicakl manipulation of reality for our or others benefits.

I'd also like to see more family magick for example. If I perform a spell for myself it CAN affect others but how can I phrase it do it to others to affect them to inadvertently affect you.

For example a family member can provide you with financial stability if you were to use your own magick to affect reality in the self. They passively from time to time help. But what if you cast a spell unto a person improve their financial securities and they in essence provide additional securities to you more so than imprinting it into your soul.

Again how would I literally and metaphorically "cast a spell" unto someone.