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I'm gay, can satan make the male I love, love me back so that I can be happy?
Question #3680: Happiness and Love
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Power of Justice [SG]
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Better yet, Father Satan has freely given you the tools to do that yourself on the JoS website.
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TheWhiteGiant
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Listen, Buddy....
I totally get where you are coming from, I'm homo as well. But i would say maybe think twice before casting a love spell. Personally, I dont find it ethical if the energy is determined on manipulating one specific persons mind and environment, in order to love you.
A better usage of the love spell would be to help you find a person who is also looking for someone like you, and is attracted to someone like you.
But siccing onto some random guy you have a crush on is not only unethical, but also you will likely regret it when you see some stuff from him you didn't expect or dislike, so both of yall will be losers. especially if you are the water dominant, sensitive type.
Trust me, I have been down this same exact route, and I thank the gods everyday my love spells failed on a guy.
Try to first become friends and try to get deeper. See who he really is first, and THEN go on ahead and confess. Let it be of HIS free will.
Of course, this is just my own two cents. You are also free to do what you will. I have no say in what another Satanist does, since im not that useful here anyways...
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Sonne [NG]
Novice Guardian
I think that feelings as naive and beautiful as love should not be made artificial with spells. If someone loves you, wouldn't it be better if they loved you for who you are?
We should not run to spells in everything and think about what we really want.
We should not run to spells in everything and think about what we really want.
Head Guardian Sophiles Phylax
Head of Community
A love spell would make someone love you for who you are in some sense. The ethics of all of this are dependent on the affirmation and intention. It is not necessarily like the spell will brainwash the person, but it would create avenues for love to exist. It is not fake at all, and this should be respected with its own depth, as we don't want to create love with just anyone.
All of magic and even life is about the breaking or creation of patterns, so not everything in life must be judged on its current state. That doesn't mean we should force situations which would not realistically happen, like two incompatible lovers, but we also shouldn't assume that any changes to such a relationship are uncalled for, or artificial, and so on. Everything is subject to advancement.
Sonne [NG]
Novice Guardian
I didn't know that, thanks for your answer JG Blitzkreig!
The hard truth is that almost nobody loves you for who you are. Most people love you for how you make them feel. If you change or their opinion of you change so they think you're making them feel bad now, they'll stop loving you and start hating you.
Head Guardian Sophiles Phylax
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The Gebo rune, or how Venus operates, shows an energy mixture between two souls, which creates feelings of closeness, thereby giving the feelings of love based upon the present conditions. In this sense, you begin to feel the lover as an extension of yourself, therefore a partner.
When we talk about love, it is also important to remember the expressions of the Sun and 5th house, and this is more where we delve into the realm of what someone provides for another person. Ideally, the expressions of the Sun would stimulate and amplify the existing Venusian linkages, but if the Venus aspect of the relationship is lacking, this is where we can get "colder" situations, where the relationship devolves into just providing things to one another, like friends, rather than an equal reception or exchange that Venus creates.
Venus's energy harmonizes all areas of the soul, and this is why lovers will be concerned for each other's welfare and feelings, even if one of them cannot provide anymore, and so on. It is why lovers want to exchange not just sex, but also thoughts and feelings.
hailourtruegod
Well-known member
Great reply!
I would of replied but this a suffice explanation and all I wanted to add was that even with the money spell we don't just make something appear out of nowhere. The energies have to go thru a practical outlet.
In this case it's not forcing someone to like you when the same feeling you give to the interested person can be given thru talking and experiences.
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TheWhiteGiant
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Hello Blitzkreig
If the person already , and genuinely has no interest in you as a person in the first place, then a love spell would just be manipulation.
And, think about it, how would you feel if you found out someone you barely know and have no interest in, has been casting love spell on you for like a week? obviously you would wanna avoid that person, and even if they manage to get you, they wont be able to tell you because it would be like this dark secret thay have, and it will break all trust in the relationship if it is revealed.
I believe the OP should just get to know the other person, open up to them, and try to establish a connection or friendship first. If someone doesn't even wanna be your friend, then they clearly never had that first spark that makes them attracted to you.
Sure, you could do some spells to bring out the authentic charm and beauty in yourself, but I still don't believe that a love spell is ethical or fair.
hailourtruegod
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I think people are getting their results of a love spell thru movies. From years of experience it is anything but.Hello Blitzkreig
If the person already , and genuinely has no interest in you as a person in the first place, then a love spell would just be manipulation.
And, think about it, how would you feel if you found out someone you barely know and have no interest in, has been casting love spell on you for like a week? obviously you would wanna avoid that person, and even if they manage to get you, they wont be able to tell you because it would be like this dark secret thay have, and it will break all trust in the relationship if it is revealed.
I believe the OP should just get to know the other person, open up to them, and try to establish a connection or friendship first. If someone doesn't even wanna be your friend, then they clearly never had that first spark that makes them attracted to you.
Sure, you could do some spells to bring out the authentic charm and beauty in yourself, but I still don't believe that a love spell is ethical or fair.
If sweet talking and showing your nice fit physique to the said interest to attract them even if they aren't showing any interest isn't bad then how is the spell bad? Besides the obvious specific reason like someone else has a partner already and happy or something similar then both the above would be unethical but besides that there's nothing nefarious at play here.
It has nothing to do with having someone do something out of heir own will and has more to do more with influencing ther sacral and throat chkara the same way any beautiful person that has a good personality can do to those they attracted to.
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TheWhiteGiant
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When you are using magick, it is VASTLY different from showing off some nice stuff or attractive qualities.
Magick messes with the mind. not that you said "influence " yourself, which is just glorified manipulation. Unless you are destined to be with the other person through karma or a great synastry, which would karmically lead you to making that love spell, I really am not a fan of the idea of love spells. heck, I place death spells above them in terms of being ethical.
Thats literally how that works. I also have experience, maybe not as long as you have, but enough experience of some really weird shit happening to prove to me that indeed, love magick DOES work like the "movies", even though i did everything perfectly, affirmation, direction etc.
I strongly believe that the other person should have free will in who they choose to fall in love with. Most thing you could do with magick is to make yourself more appealing, but that is very different from leeching in some specifics persons mind and subjecting them to implanted thoughts.
hailourtruegod
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But with that logic you can literally say the same thing about courtship(flirting and seduction). Why court a women if she's destined to love you then there's no point in flirting with her or seducing her because she'll already feel that way and influencing her to like you more and wanting to show her your worth having sex with is just glorified manipulation then as well.
I would like to know your point of view of how courtship and love spells are different.
Both spiritual and physical flirting/seduction can be used in an abusive/unethical manner but that's on the person acting not the spell itself.
Love spells are just Astral flirting. If there's bad or weird outcomes after a simple spell then it's not the spell itself but the practitioner, in my opinion.
The Love/Sex spells weren't given to us with the intent of brainwashing non Zevism into being our sex slaves.
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8813
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Hapiness is an ilusion, it come from the satisfaction of getting what we desire
Dragonheart666
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Dragonheart666
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CrimsonMonarch
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At this point I'm waiting for the thread to become so granular we start questioning it all. We started from a normal love spell and now we are in "But what is love? What is happiness?". Love to see it
Getting what we desire produces certain molecules in our brain (serotonin, dopamine, oxytocin), so can we say that happiness is nothing more than a bunch of molecules? What is love but a chemical reaction in the brain? Can a person be "drugged" chemically into loving someone? Can you just drug yourself to be "happy"? Aldous Huxley's Brave New World is a good book to read on this, it might give some perspective. This is not addressed to you but the thread in general, I just liked your comment more because it goes into a good topic.
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TheWhiteGiant
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When you are using magick, you are operating on the level of the astral. These are all energies, and they are all deeper than some societal, subconscious notions, or thoughts even. You are operating on a very deep level that sometimes even goes past the subconscious, and is of the spirit. It is very deep and serious. The simple fact that you are willing to use concealed means to influence the other person's mind and environment for your own advantage, is unethical itself.
It would not be unethical in the case of warfare for example (Rituals), because it is a necessary act that is being done for the highest good of all gentiles and the Earth, but in this case, you are completely ignoring the consent that comes with love, and instead of "astral flirting", you are just astrally manipulating. Imagine if for example, I was attracted to you as a person, and I wanted to use magick to make you notice me more, and to make you start having loving thoughts about me.
No matter if the emotions are valid, real or not, it is still being done without your consent and without your awareness. You are being influenced to think and feel in a certain way, which otherwise you maybe would, or maybe wouldn't feel or think. THAT is the unethical part. It doesn't matter if you are literally the best person in the world for them, you are still dictating things to happen, because of selfish desires. These things are very personal and should be left to the decision of the person themselves.
When you are flirting with someone, you are aware that the other person KNOWS your tactics and KNOWS you are flirting with them, and thus you already give them a chance to either agree or disagree, but magick works much deeper and more powerfully than just a few winks or compliments.
Let's stop equating magick with day to day activities that are normalized, because the nature of magick itself is not "normal" nor even WORKS like normal activities.
I am not very advanced, so I understand if what I say may not be accurate, but I have thought long and hard about this, and I am open to criticism, generally, because we do not know EXACTLY how magick works in terms of examining the deepest molecules and quantum science of it yet as a species, people have different ideas about how it works and there exists a lot of confusion in it, so if I am wrong, then im fine with that. But I personally would not respect anyone who used magick to get a specific person to love them.
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8813
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Thats interesting, i was thinking more about Nietzsche whit That afirmationAt this point I'm waiting for the thread to become so granular we start questioning it all. We started from a normal love spell and now we are in "But what is love? What is happiness?". Love to see it
Getting what we desire produces certain molecules in our brain (serotonin, dopamine, oxytocin), so can we say that happiness is nothing more than a bunch of molecules? What is love but a chemical reaction in the brain? Can a person be "drugged" chemically into loving someone? Can you just drug yourself to be "happy"? Aldous Huxley's Brave New World is a good book to read on this, it might give some perspective. This is not addressed to you but the thread in general, I just liked your comment more because it goes into a good topic.
CrimsonMonarch
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Damn, I missed the point then. I went full biology thereThats interesting, i was thinking more about Nietzsche whit That afirmation
. I have not read Nietzsche enough to understand the thought behind the afirmation, though.
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8813
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Maybe is not so far One thing from anotherDamn, I missed the point then. I went full biology there
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8813
Guest
It seems interesting book i Will look for it ,At this point I'm waiting for the thread to become so granular we start questioning it all. We started from a normal love spell and now we are in "But what is love? What is happiness?". Love to see it
Getting what we desire produces certain molecules in our brain (serotonin, dopamine, oxytocin), so can we say that happiness is nothing more than a bunch of molecules? What is love but a chemical reaction in the brain? Can a person be "drugged" chemically into loving someone? Can you just drug yourself to be "happy"? Aldous Huxley's Brave New World is a good book to read on this, it might give some perspective. This is not addressed to you but the thread in general, I just liked your comment more because it goes into a good topic.
hailourtruegod
Well-known member
Again this same logic would perfectly go with flirting and seduction. Without it in many cases (not all) the person who you are interested in wouldn't consider you until you started opening her/him to the idea of you two being together.
Maybe you're seeing love and attraction as something extremely complicated and thus feel like doing a love spell is using cheat codes? In my opinion it's a tool that'll open up an opportunity to show a person you're a viable partner... just like many people do with basic flirting.
Flirting and seduction comes in many ways. Upfront or hidden. Not every way of seduction is upfront. So how would a love spell and wearing very good smelling perfume/cologne in front of someone you like but they have no idea you like them any different then?
Brother, I hope you don't think I'm trying to be obtuse. I am honestly trying to understand your logic without seeing any contradictions.
Normal in the way you're using it is just an opinion of a personal view. Magick is objectively normal. We just live in a world that isn't objectively normal. I feel like some of these simple spells are to be seen as normal day to day stuff and will be in the very near future.
For the scientific part, just because the mainstream scientists haven't touched spirituality in recent recorded history doesn't mean a simple spell is something very incredibly complex.
Anything that is complex will be given to us by our Guardians and by that level any Zevism would understand what's really ethical or not and will be responsible with something that a none Zevism (unfortunately most likely some newish Zevism as well) would otherwise.
Lack of understanding should lead to open mindness and inquiry and not being at the extreme conclusion it's something so evil you don't want to respect anyone that does it. I haven't fully understood why you have such a strong point on it, but that leads to my final question in this post,
In an earlier reply you said
Afterwards you go into your opinion of a love spell but didn't elaborate on how it is vastly different.
If it is "vastly different" then I would like to know as it seems like it would be easy to understand with examples and an actual explanation of that quote.
Good convo btw
Dragonheart666
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I think there's nothing more beautiful than laughing! Because for one it does strengthen your core and it's good for your vocal cords! And it's good for your stomach helps you digest your food better Rumor Has it? Plus I would rather make a good habit of laughing? Then being a pain in the ass like other people who like to bitch and complain and feel sorry for themselves? And this time of year I get depressed really easy. And I have a tendency to want to get out more and spend money that I don't have just to be able to have some happiness something bright and cheery and happy in my house. Like a bouquet of flowers
or a beautiful picture to light up the room! Or by myself a new lava lamp and a new book and sit down and read. And I love to get on here and talk and hang out with people. And have intelligent conversations. Anything that keeps me awake and keeps my mind busy! I will never pass the moment
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or a beautiful picture to light up the room! Or by myself a new lava lamp and a new book and sit down and read. And I love to get on here and talk and hang out with people. And have intelligent conversations. Anything that keeps me awake and keeps my mind busy! I will never pass the moment️
Dragonheart666
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Laughter is good medicine! And so is love when you know you're being loved and wanted? It is everything! And when you know you're being admired and appreciated for what you do? For somebody else for somebody you care about your job site or the community that you enjoy being on? And makes all the world's difference!️
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Dragonheart666
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And happiness is also another cure-all so they say? But it depends on what you have on your mind all the time and what you find humorous? And what you consider happiness? I am somebody who enjoys the laughter of little children in a classroom! which makes it fun to be a school teacher! And I love stand-up comedy! And I know that everybody has a laughing point and a sense of humor and I know that everybody likes to get off a joke about something and sit and talk about funny things or just sit down and talk? And release all of that pent up energy both the negative and the positive begin to balance out when you sit down and talk about it and have a good laugh and a couple of good jokes to share. 
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which makes it fun to be a school teacher! And I love stand-up comedy! And I know that everybody has a laughing point and a sense of humor and I know that everybody likes to get off a joke about something and sit and talk about funny things or just sit down and talk? And release all of that pent up energy both the negative and the positive begin to balance out when you sit down and talk about it and have a good laugh and a couple of good jokes to share. 👁
hailourtruegod
Well-known member
I'm sure it was understood but just in case
hailourtruegod
Well-known member
Karnonnos reply was to make a point and he was also going off of what another skeptical member said which was an outrage claim to make but it can easily be seen like you were alluding to the false "artificial" narrative.
I asked politely for you to explain yourself as you keep only putting in your own opinions without elaborating on the logic behind it.
Instead you wrote a wall of text of how you felt of another member's reply . All he did was explain thoroughly but bluntly. Everything he said had a strong point and this can be seen if you took a step back and maybe even waited to reply instead of a knee jerk/reactive post. Or at least that's what it seems like especially since my reply was completely ignored. That's beside the point.
I actually don't believe any of it was directly towards you at all and again he was just trying to make a point which you didn't even try to contradict instead just doubling down on your opinion.
But if that's where you want to leave it at then so be it, I guess...
I asked politely for you to explain yourself as you keep only putting in your own opinions without elaborating on the logic behind it.
Instead you wrote a wall of text of how you felt of another member's reply . All he did was explain thoroughly but bluntly. Everything he said had a strong point and this can be seen if you took a step back and maybe even waited to reply instead of a knee jerk/reactive post. Or at least that's what it seems like especially since my reply was completely ignored. That's beside the point.
I actually don't believe any of it was directly towards you at all and again he was just trying to make a point which you didn't even try to contradict instead just doubling down on your opinion.
But if that's where you want to leave it at then so be it, I guess...
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TheWhiteGiant
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I would tell you not to butt in, but you are right.
I am sorry if my posts hurt anyone's feelings. really.
I just... cannot wrap my head around this one subject.
I really don't understand how a love spell can't be unethical and selfish, if it is directed at a single person.
Nevertheless, apologies to whoever I replied harshly to.
From the tone in some replies, I felt as if I was being schooled or ridiculed, which i dont know was the intention or not.
hailourtruegod
Well-known member
A main takeaway point from this is that no one here who is a serious Zevism is doing love spells for nefarious reasons.
It's up to the individual who visits the JoS what they choose to practice even it comes to spirituality, divinity and the occult.
The problem is those here who, in the first place, are doing what the gods want us to do, are being shamed just for practicing something that's given to us by them and their messengers like HPS Pythia.
It's okay to have your own opinions on the tools we have but, in this specific situation, it's another thing when trying to down talk others that are just using the tools we have with no evil intentions behind. The bad intentions are mostly accusations based on nothing solid with the minor exceptions being infiltrators and similar, but thats the not topic here.
The above applies to all parties but remember, in this topic and others before, it's the ones who wrote they oppose the love/sex spells the ones who initiated a bit of an argument by making outrages claims that will make those who practice these spells look bad, without any thorough explanation. Doing so paints your brothers and sisters as gross individuals who want to mind control others for their emotional needs.
The reply given by Karnonnos can be seen as warranted after this context but I don't think you're seeing that part. I did my best to view your side and now I ask for you to do the same for others even if you still don't change your mind it's considerate to do the above when in a civil discussion.
At the end you can still claim being morally right and not sway from your opinion but it will be proper to take all the above into consideration.
This reply wasn't to prolong the discussion as it seems to be over and done with. It's more of a general thought that I wanted to share.
Dragonheart666
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Eat drink and be merry! For tomorrow you may never know what's going to happen next?
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TheWhiteGiant
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Of course brother. Thank you.
I'll try to be more disciplined in my emotional management.
Now that I think about it, we humans influence one another by our thought-power, and the actions caused by the thought anyways, so magick could just be a shortcut into doing it more efficiently perhaps, and what you said with the intention being proper and good, was also correct.
Sorry Karnonnos.
Dragonheart666
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TheWhiteGiant That you have a point there.
Dragonheart666
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AskSatanOperator.. for somebody who posts a threat every 3 seconds? Asking 1 1,000 questions every day? Can't even take the time to look up your own answers? And be more independent? Asking people one 1000 questions on all kinds of shit? And then you complain because nobody's answering your questions?.. and then you had to mention my name? Laugh out loud you don't need to drag me into your fucking quagmire! Keep my name out of your mouth! I am trying to take care of things on my own and! It wasn't like I come and knocked on your door and knocked over your beehive! You have no business talking shit about me!..
And for your information you're running your mouth off and talking shit about other people? Which is not appropriate! Yes I got into trouble for doing a few things on here! Minor things! And I will have you know that I'm not a fucking spammer! For one I didn't even know that I was doing it? And it was just a simple misunderstanding! And a computer glitch! Number three you have no business judging me! Number four you're going off on another member here! Number five I've never mentioned anything about you or accused you of doing anything? Laugh out loud! Number six! I don't waste my time throwing out one 1000 threads asking $1000 questions! And you are the dude that answers everybody's questions posing as satan? As ask Satan a question? Another words that you were reading the content that I post on that website? And then you get on here and you run your mouth off about me and other people? Just because people are getting tired of your questions? Laugh out loud dude you have no business running your mouth off about me or anybody else on here! Why don't you stop and think about it? And here I am minding my own business and doing my own thing! I haven't even threatened anybody on here especially you laugh out loud!..what is up with people these days? I am busy trying to do my own meditations! And doing things to help myself! And trying to avoid trouble on here as much as possible! I haven't even been on here much except to answer the questions and the post that were sent to me? I am sorry if I rattled your chains! But everything and anything I posted on here had nothing to do with you? So I think you need to chill out! And take a good step back? If the things you're doing and saying about other people on here? Because I'm pretty aware of the fact that you've mentioned my name? And it was not pretty! And it was not fucking funny!
And for your information you're running your mouth off and talking shit about other people? Which is not appropriate! Yes I got into trouble for doing a few things on here! Minor things! And I will have you know that I'm not a fucking spammer! For one I didn't even know that I was doing it? And it was just a simple misunderstanding! And a computer glitch! Number three you have no business judging me! Number four you're going off on another member here! Number five I've never mentioned anything about you or accused you of doing anything? Laugh out loud! Number six! I don't waste my time throwing out one 1000 threads asking $1000 questions! And you are the dude that answers everybody's questions posing as satan? As ask Satan a question? Another words that you were reading the content that I post on that website? And then you get on here and you run your mouth off about me and other people? Just because people are getting tired of your questions? Laugh out loud dude you have no business running your mouth off about me or anybody else on here! Why don't you stop and think about it? And here I am minding my own business and doing my own thing! I haven't even threatened anybody on here especially you laugh out loud!..what is up with people these days? I am busy trying to do my own meditations! And doing things to help myself! And trying to avoid trouble on here as much as possible! I haven't even been on here much except to answer the questions and the post that were sent to me? I am sorry if I rattled your chains! But everything and anything I posted on here had nothing to do with you? So I think you need to chill out! And take a good step back? If the things you're doing and saying about other people on here? Because I'm pretty aware of the fact that you've mentioned my name? And it was not pretty! And it was not fucking funny!
Ancestors666
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I think you should make him your friend first, then get to know him more by observations ! Then love yourself more and be confident.
Thanks!!!
Dragonheart666
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Why is this being sent to me? Lol I don't need friends "
Henu the Great
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You are not in a position to critique others. Much less when you do not understand what you are talking about... AskSatanOperator is a moderator-only user account that is being used to post questions submitted from the asksatan.net website.
Henu the Great
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None of it is sent to you. You have not been quoted, and no one is talking about you in this context.
Dragonheart666
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I'm sorry. But I am technical problems today. And I just wanted to know what was going on
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