A question for the clergy about Gods

[Black Magic]

Greetings, lately I’ve been performing power rituals of the Gods quite often, I've noticed that some Gods respond better to my rituals, while others are not. I don't have issues with sensitivity, i just dont get it why is that happening when I work with certain Gods I don’t get any response, even the during meditation after the ritual itself. There's aslo certain Gods what shows up even withoud any rituals while im not even thought about them. Do the Gods have their own preferences, or could I be doing something wrong in relation to certain Gods?

In my case, i working with Maat, Apollo, Nemesis, and Kronos so well, they're literaly influence my reality, but with King Paimon for example i feel nothing, i just recive images through 3rd eye that I just can't understand properly, sometimes i recive nothing at all, or just one image for 1 hour of ritual and meditation together

 

[Hidden Warrior [SG]]

Gods rituals can be used in many ways, and one of these is getting insights and messages from Gods.
This doesn't mean that you do a ritual and immediately receive clear feedback. This is more the case if you are not doing a ritual with the goal of getting answers to specific questions.

Achieving clear communication and reception from Gods is a long path. It is not sufficient to be sensitive. Lady Pythia herself stated that sometimes the communication with the Gods wasn't totally clear.

For sure one can have better affinity with some Gods than others. Nevertheless, the rituals work even if you don't see anything afterwards.

 

[High Priestess Lydia Coventina]

I've noticed that some Gods respond better to my rituals, while others are not.

The Gods are never obligated to respond to anyone. They are far above us. Perhaps it's the way you write, but some of your posts make it seem like you don't understand our Gods and just how Supreme they are.

Leave aside "left hand path" occultism. That's not us. We understand the Gods, They are not mere beings that automatically appear to us when we want. They choose to, or They choose not to, and that is Their decision not any human's. And if you're not doing significant work for the Temple, then they have no reason to appear to you. Be thankful for the ones that have responded, instead of wondering why not all do. Have you been here 10+ years? No? Then there is no reason to wonder. It's just how it is.

I don't have issues with sensitivity

It isn't about sensitivity overall. There are many aspects of the soul and chakras, you have some or many blockages. Unless your soul is fully purified, you have blockages, and this will prevent you from sensing certain energies. That's just how it is. Work on purifying and opening your soul.

 

[Black Magic]

The Gods are never obligated to respond to anyone. They are far above us. Perhaps it's the way you write, but some of your posts make it seem like you don't understand our Gods and just how Supreme they are.

Leave aside "left hand path" occultism. That's not us. We understand the Gods, They are not mere beings that automatically appear to us when we want. They choose to, or They choose not to, and that is Their decision not any human's. And if you're not doing significant work for the Temple, then they have no reason to appear to you. Be thankful for the ones that have responded, instead of wondering why not all do. Have you been here 10+ years? No? Then there is no reason to wonder. It's just how it is.


It isn't about sensitivity overall. There are many aspects of the soul and chakras, you have some or many blockages. Unless your soul is fully purified, you have blockages, and this will prevent you from sensing certain energies. That's just how it is. Work on purifying and opening your soul.

Greetings HP, I've read Plato, the dialogues, the apology of Socrates. There Socrates asks Euthyphron a question, and I will quote from Russian into English: "What is the use of the Gods from the gifts they receive from us? What they're give to people is understandable. But what's the use for them of what they get from us?" So, you're absolutely right that I've been here for 10 years, but I still don't understand our Gods at all, what can I give them as an ordinary mortal that the Gods don't have? The Gods have everything, they own this world, and I don't understand what value I am to them. This question has been bothering me for a long time, and only when i contact King Paimon he point me to that book and i come to that question again, i also had vision with him, it was fast, and he wanted me to understand that moment more better. Also, you told what the Gods shows up then when they want to, and it's true, Nemesis has already appeared in my life like this, even when I wasn't thinking about her, It was unexpected everytime when she's shows up

 

[Sprezzatura]

And if you're not doing significant work for the Temple, then they have no reason to appear to you.

Greetings High Priestess, i hesitate to post this to be honest,

I do not agree with this part, one can not do significant work for the temple and still may experience Gods appearing, this is not purely material relationship, i am not saying the Gods overlook ones work, the opposite,

but in same time i personally dislike viewing my relation to Gods as transactional, ‘ i will do significant work, can you please now appear to me’ if you think about it, this is same mentality of left hand occultism, ‘i will do a technique, fast 40 days and be celibate( this is an example of something i am against, i am not encouraging celibacy), so can you appear to me now so i command you, because i fasted ‘

if its that way i would rather do the work for Gods and the Temple and still wish to not be visited, if they visit me i want it to come as their choice making the experience has elements of devotion, love and reverence not a transaction.

If we take this further, given the greatness of Gods, one can do significant work and it still means nothing, does not mean that now the Gods are bound to appear, appearing is always by grace this is my opinion.

if you're not doing significant work for the Temple, then they have no reason to appear to you.

To summarize, i believe there are other reasons, and i believe one can currently be bot doing significant work for the temple yet see the Gods.

I also encourage work for the temple, since it increases chances of divine favor. Helps a good cause, and its noble work and also helps one improve in many areas. Just so my message is not misunderstood.

But also if one is not doing currently work for temple it does not mean he is some Low Tier Zevist, thats completly false, in same time, the ones who do work for the temple indeed deserve recognition. And are engaging in holy work.

That aside, if you meant you are against entitlement and encourage doing work that will bring us closer to Gods i completely agree

The Gods are never obligated to respond to anyone. They are far above us. Perhaps it's the way you write, but some of your posts make it seem like you don't understand our Gods and just how Supreme they are.

Leave aside "left hand path" occultism. That's not us. We understand the Gods, They are not mere beings that automatically appear to us when we want. They choose to, or They choose not to, and that is Their decision not any human's. And if you're not doing significant work for the Temple, then they have no reason to appear to you. Be thankful for the ones that have responded, instead of wondering why not all do. Have you been here 10+ years? No? Then there is no reason to wonder. It's just how it is.


It isn't about sensitivity overall. There are many aspects of the soul and chakras, you have some or many blockages. Unless your soul is fully purified, you have blockages, and this will prevent you from sensing certain energies. That's just how it is. Work on purifying and opening your soul.

Concerning the ‘Gods appearing’, i have some theories, i am not saying those are true, i am not stating those as facts, i will write them just in case you choose to give your opinion or correct me, consider the following questions, rather than statements, thank you High Priestess:

( questions, not statements, not saying those are true)

-The frequency of appearing is linked to the personality of the Gods and each God has different preferences.

-Making a mistake towards the Gods or breaking agreements can cause the Gods to stop appearing.

-Enemy entities, when one is not doing AoP and cleaning etc.. can cause one to dismiss experiences or doubt them.

-Binding can be done on an initiate that makes him lose perception of Gods.

-the more spiritual work we do, the more we do things for the Gods and the temple, the more we advance, the more we stay focused on the path, the higher the chances of experiencing Gods.

-The Gods can get jealous ( i do not know if this is the right word) if one is doing for example 4 Gods rituals, in one of them he is more formal and use a good setup, while in others he overlook the rituals and do not give importance to set up same way he does in the other ritual, i believe the Gods dislike this.

( those questions not statements, i am open for correction & learning)

 

[Eudora]

The Gods are never obligated to respond to anyone. They are far above us. Perhaps it's the way you write, but some of your posts make it seem like you don't understand our Gods and just how Supreme they are.

Leave aside "left hand path" occultism. That's not us. We understand the Gods, They are not mere beings that automatically appear to us when we want. They choose to, or They choose not to, and that is Their decision not any human's. And if you're not doing significant work for the Temple, then they have no reason to appear to you. Be thankful for the ones that have responded, instead of wondering why not all do. Have you been here 10+ years? No? Then there is no reason to wonder. It's just how it is.


It isn't about sensitivity overall. There are many aspects of the soul and chakras, you have some or many blockages. Unless your soul is fully purified, you have blockages, and this will prevent you from sensing certain energies. That's just how it is. Work on purifying and opening your soul.

High Priestess,

With all due respect, I would like to offer my perspective on this matter, especially considering my active participation in the Spanish-speaking community.

I completely agree with your assertion that the Gods are supreme, sovereign, and individual beings who decide when and to whom they manifest. However, conditioning the presence or response of the Gods on the performance of "significant work for the Temple" is a position I do not consider correct. The relationship between a deity and a practitioner is unique. Turning this connection into something transactional can discourage people from seeking guidance, creating an environment where members stop asking questions for fear of a defensive response.

Each practitioner operates at their own pace. Spiritual development is not linear; daily routines, obligations, and individual energy blockages affect each person differently. A strict requirement of "more than 10 years of practice" ignores these personal realities. Furthermore, as the High Priest mentioned earlier, the Gods manifest through diverse cultures and means, demonstrating that their interaction with humanity extends far beyond administrative or institutional productivity.

For a person to contribute meaningfully to the Temple, they must first have the opportunity to progress and evolve. This evolution requires a constructive environment where questions are addressed clearly, rather than dismissed based on hierarchy or seniority.

Many here encourage participation in ToZ, which is undoubtedly valuable. However, many people do their work outside the Temple, in their local communities and environments. If someone dedicates time to their community, sharing this knowledge, they are working for the Gods. The Gods operate in many ways, and I speak with absolute certainty about this because they have manifested in different areas of my life, even during times when I distanced myself from ToZ.

There is a vast world outside that needs to be built. It may be based on ToZ, yes, but while some dedicate their time here, others integrate this knowledge into their daily lives, exemplifying the Gods through their everyday actions. This, in itself, is already working for them.

Perhaps I'm mistaken in my perception, but that's how I feel here.


"Perhaps it's the way you write, but some of your posts make it seem like you don't understand our Gods and just how Supreme they are."
Regarding this comment: what may be completely obvious to you might not be to others. If someone is asking a question, it's precisely because they don't yet fully understand it. Therefore, I believe it's everyone's duty here—especially those of us who do understand—to offer better guidance and understanding, always based on empathy.

I remember well that we come from a past understanding; perhaps this person became engrossed in personal matters, neglecting the Gods, and experienced something that led them to change their ritual practices. Now, after 10 years, they simply don't know how to approach this topic.

Of course, this is just my opinion. I'm not trying to be disrespectful in any way; I'm simply offering an opinion that can be accepted or rejected, without imposing anything or doing anything that might hurt anyone.

I speak Spanish, and writing in English isn't my strong suit. So I apologize if there are any grammatical errors. A language barrier might be present.

 

[I.Am.Radiant]

The Gods are never obligated to respond to anyone. They are far above us. Perhaps it's the way you write, but some of your posts make it seem like you don't understand our Gods and just how Supreme they are.

Leave aside "left hand path" occultism. That's not us. We understand the Gods, They are not mere beings that automatically appear to us when we want. They choose to, or They choose not to, and that is Their decision not any human's. And if you're not doing significant work for the Temple, then they have no reason to appear to you. Be thankful for the ones that have responded, instead of wondering why not all do. Have you been here 10+ years? No? Then there is no reason to wonder. It's just how it is.


It isn't about sensitivity overall. There are many aspects of the soul and chakras, you have some or many blockages. Unless your soul is fully purified, you have blockages, and this will prevent you from sensing certain energies. That's just how it is. Work on purifying and opening your soul.

Took the words right out of my mouth, High Priestess

This is exactly what I have learned from Clergy and well-known long term members posts; so know that truth and realistic expectations are clearly communicated here. Thank you for guiding us, im forever grateful

 

[I.Am.Radiant]

Greetings, lately I’ve been performing power rituals of the Gods quite often, I've noticed that some Gods respond better to my rituals, while others are not. I don't have issues with sensitivity, i just dont get it why is that happening when I work with certain Gods I don’t get any response, even the during meditation after the ritual itself. There's aslo certain Gods what shows up even withoud any rituals while im not even thought about them. Do the Gods have their own preferences, or could I be doing something wrong in relation to certain Gods?

In my case, i working with Maat, Apollo, Nemesis, and Kronos so well, they're literaly influence my reality, but with King Paimon for example i feel nothing, i just recive images through 3rd eye that I just can't understand properly, sometimes i recive nothing at all, or just one image for 1 hour of ritual and meditation together

After 10 years you are still asking what the Gods ask of you, that you dont understand them at all; yet in the same paragraph, claim to work with some of the highest ranking....that just doesnt line up for me.

The T of Z and Clergy posts have been crystal clear of what is expected, what we are expanding in, stepping into and breaking away from.

I mean this to be absolutely direct and honest, talk much less, read and listen much more.

I truly wish you growth on this path.

HP posts are an excellent source of guidance when lost, unsure and unclear:

New Zevist Terms: Becoming A Theophoros & Godhead - 10 Traits of Ma'at - Memory & Next Steps

On the Restoration of the Culture of the Gods and the Opening of the Next Phase THE TEN TENETS OF MA'AT I. THEOPHOROS | II. HIEROLOGIA | III. DIAUGEIA | IV. SAHUKATHAR | V. EUNOMIA VI. THEOTEKNIA | VII. EPISTEMODIA | VIII. PANTOMYSTEIA | IX. ALETHOMNESIS | X. MA'AT What you...

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[Sprezzatura]

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I loved that you commented on this, thank you.

I hope older members will take this into consideration.

As for the High Priestess i believe she did not mean that literally instead she just wanted to encourage action and argued against entitlement. Given her overall interactions, instead of focusing on just 1 moment.

rather than dismissed based on hierarchy or seniority.

This attitude is indeed present in many old members here, and this used to anger me,

First some love to see one stay dumb, they will love answering his lowliest questions to display ego and avoid the good ones to let him stay as he is, or simply dismissing him. Some also engage in gatekeeping the informations that are already shared and are to be refered. This fails of course, i experienced it and always by accident i find what i wanted..

Many are helping members from ego with no spiritual background to the act,

I do not see a problem in wanting to be better and i understand the lack of maturity to want to see someone always lowly,

I also do not mind one thinking be is superior than me because he did X Y Z and i did not.

all the above is ok to me, or even more its not of my business, everyone can choose to do as he likes i am not here to judge.

What i find intrusive and makes me angry is when one is delusional, arrogant and disrespectful enough to do the following:

-To insert oneself between an initiate and the Gods to presume, based on one's own contributions or tenure ( i am not undermining peoples effort, i am against one injecting himself between an initiate and a God and starting to tell what the Gods think of the initiate based on ego. This is bullshit) , to speak for the divine and declare whom the Gods will answer or favor is not merely arrogant; it is a fundamental spiritual violation.

This act projects human contempt and ego onto the Gods, as if the Divine shared the same petty hierarchies ( i am not talking about hierarchy of ToZ, i am talking about when one does X Y Z and sees an ´unseen’ hierarchy that exists only in his mind, about the Gods seing him as supreme and above everyone else that ´HE ´ thinks is above. ) and grudges as flawed mortals.

It claims an authority that belongs to no member, i notably refrain from such behavior precisely because i understands its hubris. When a member says, "The Gods will not appear to you because I have done more," they are no longer serving the Gods they are using the Gods as a prop for their own status. ( talking about members who do it, the High Priestess does not engage in that.)

The Gods see through this. And They take it seriously. No one stands between another soul and the Divine except by delusion. The correct posture is silence on what the Gods think of another ( i am talking when one does this based on ego instead of understanding. There are some cases where than can be valid as guidance. ), and focus on one's own path.

If someone sees an unseen hierarchy that makes him supreme to another initiate from Gods perspective( yes doing work for the temple is good and better than doing nothing, but one cannot assume the Gods wont give grace to someone just because one thinks that, this is bullshit), this is the same mentality of thinking some race is higher than another race by definition from Gods perspective. Or some alien race is by definition lowly and hostile and such.

If one does vibrations to his pineal gland making it wet and dripping, it does not mean now my Guardian God is impressed and sees me lowly while sees the other as above me, and now i am bound to not have high experiences unless the one who walks with wet pineal gland have them ( i know some experiences requires certain advancement, and its normal to not expect certain things when not haven open chakras for example while another is having them wide open from years of practice, this is based on understanding, i criticize superiority coming from ego. Anything coming from understanding and such i agree with even if wrong its okay, what i am against is thinking ones ego is aligned with the divine will. Ones ego is not even aligned with one higher consciousness not to talk about Gods.) Those things exists only on the mind of the one projecting them.

 

[Black Magic]

After 10 years you are still asking what the Gods ask of you, that you dont understand them at all; yet in the same paragraph, claim to work with some of the highest ranking....that just doesnt line up for me.

The T of Z and Clergy posts have been crystal clear of what is expected, what we are expanding in, stepping into and breaking away from.

I mean this to be absolutely direct and honest, talk much less, read and listen much more.

I truly wish you growth on this path.

HP posts are an excellent source of guidance when lost, unsure and unclear:

New Zevist Terms: Becoming A Theophoros & Godhead - 10 Traits of Ma'at - Memory & Next Steps

On the Restoration of the Culture of the Gods and the Opening of the Next Phase THE TEN TENETS OF MA'AT I. THEOPHOROS | II. HIEROLOGIA | III. DIAUGEIA | IV. SAHUKATHAR | V. EUNOMIA VI. THEOTEKNIA | VII. EPISTEMODIA | VIII. PANTOMYSTEIA | IX. ALETHOMNESIS | X. MA'AT What you...

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I asked direct question, what the Gods need from humans? and you asked how i work with the High Ranking Gods? Execuse me, but, i always thought that they're all important no mater if you consider them High Ranket or not, I have never attached importance to this hierarchy, the relationship itself is important to me, regardless of whether I conduct these relationships as you claim with the "lower gods" or with the "higher gods" You also said that i should read and listen more, well, for 9 years i had no account, I only had the opportunity to read the Russian forum, and I never went to English. and since i started recently to study that language i shows up here. So, trust me, i read enough but i still have a lots of questions. Yes, you send me that link, so what? i read that before, it's still explains nothing. Some folks told me that Gods are teachers but they're cant exaplaing what do they're really need, i know what they're can give, i know what they're need strong humanity, but i have no clue why, why they're need all of this and what exactly they're need, what i can give them? I left this path many times, and the Gods kept bringing me back here again and again i have no clue why. the truth is that I feel completely ungrateful and it is not convenient for me to summon the Gods because I am aware of all their power, all their full power, but what can I give them in return?

Recently, about 20 minutes ago, I was meditating on the 4th chakra, and an emotional enlightenment came to me, on the level of catharsis, and I heard a voice in my head, i felt strong pressure on the third eye (not pain) and the voice said - memory. But I can't believe that's really enough for them? so just that we remember them? i guess there's something else for sure

 

[Black Magic]

The relationship between a deity and a practitioner is unique. Turning this connection into something transactional can discourage people from seeking guidance, creating an environment where members stop asking questions for fear of a defensive response.

You got fair point here, even in book i just reading, Socrated said that transactional relations with the Gods are not right, in my younghood, i left abrahamism because they're turned spirituality into barter - like if you dont do sins you're good and god love you and so on.

My benefits to the Gods go beyond the Internet, i do my deeds into real life in practice through my actions. But since I went back to the question of what benefits the Gods have from it? and I started thinking about it again. For example, am I doing a good thing - is it good because we think it's good or because it's bring benefits? It is logical to answer because it brings benefits and make people happy (for example) and therefore we consider it a good deed, which leads to the question - what benefits can my good deed bring to the Gods if they are already perfect? it's it form of hybris consider that we can make Gods more better or if we can bring them benefits if they're alredy the Gods?

 

[Eudora]

You got fair point here, even in book i just reading, Socrated said that transactional relations with the Gods are not right, in my younghood, i left abrahamism because they're turned spirituality into barter - like if you dont do sins you're good and god love you and so on.

My benefits to the Gods go beyond the Internet, i do my deeds into real life in practice through my actions. But since I went back to the question of what benefits the Gods have from it? and I started thinking about it again. For example, am I doing a good thing - is it good because we think it's good or because it's bring benefits? It is logical to answer because it brings benefits and make people happy (for example) and therefore we consider it a good deed, which leads to the question - what benefits can my good deed bring to the Gods if they are already perfect? it's it form of hybris consider that we can make Gods more better or if we can bring them benefits if they're alredy the Gods?

Questioning is useful, but questioning is useless without practice. Often, all your answers aren't here. ToZ is the beginning in many things. The only way to find the answers you seek is to practice the rituals. I tell you this from experience.

So keep practicing the rituals, write down everything you feel, see, etc., and at the end of the week or month, sit down and read everything you wrote. You'll find patterns. More than reading about the Gods, you have to experience them. If you don't experience them and remain paralyzed by questions, then I agree with many here. But take this opportunity and experience them for yourself; there's nothing else to do.

 

[Black Magic]

Questioning is useful, but questioning is useless without practice. Often, all your answers aren't here. ToZ is the beginning in many things. The only way to find the answers you seek is to practice the rituals. I tell you this from experience.

So keep practicing the rituals, write down everything you feel, see, etc., and at the end of the week or month, sit down and read everything you wrote. You'll find patterns. More than reading about the Gods, you have to experience them. If you don't experience them and remain paralyzed by questions, then I agree with many here. But take this opportunity and experience them for yourself; there's nothing else to do.

Fair point, I was thought about my question now and I made same conclusion what only one salvation I have it's direct spiritual work itself. But, it's gonna be my personal gnosis, I still unsure how I suppose to make difference between illusions and real interactions with Gods? For example, if I gonna ask the same question, they're gonna say me several things, but how I suppose to know if it's truth and if it's not my mind playing with me? Mostly this is the reason why I asked that question to Clergy because I trust that they're more powerful and know things more better. But if my personal work it's only one salvation in the way to the gnosis, well, so be it, but I presume what I gonna receive only that answer that gonna fits me because being objective it's hard... now I looked at I wrote before and I think that I do so much philosophy, so yeah, better it's just better work and that's all

 

[I.Am.Radiant]

I asked direct question, what the Gods need from humans? and you asked how i work with the High Ranking Gods? Execuse me, but, i always thought that they're all important no mater if you consider them High Ranket or not, I have never attached importance to this hierarchy, the relationship itself is important to me, regardless of whether I conduct these relationships as you claim with the "lower gods" or with the "higher gods" You also said that i should read and listen more, well, for 9 years i had no account, I only had the opportunity to read the Russian forum, and I never went to English. and since i started recently to study that language i shows up here. So, trust me, i read enough but i still have a lots of questions. Yes, you send me that link, so what? i read that before, it's still explains nothing. Some folks told me that Gods are teachers but they're cant exaplaing what do they're really need, i know what they're can give, i know what they're need strong humanity, but i have no clue why, why they're need all of this and what exactly they're need, what i can give them? I left this path many times, and the Gods kept bringing me back here again and again i have no clue why. the truth is that I feel completely ungrateful and it is not convenient for me to summon the Gods because I am aware of all their power, all their full power, but what can I give them in return?

Recently, about 20 minutes ago, I was meditating on the 4th chakra, and an emotional enlightenment came to me, on the level of catharsis, and I heard a voice in my head, i felt strong pressure on the third eye (not pain) and the voice said - memory. But I can't believe that's really enough for them? so just that we remember them? i guess there's something else for sure

Like I said I truly wish you growth and guidance on this path. I truly feel there is ample guidance here if you have the (figurative) ears to hear it.

I was simply making an honest observation based on the tone, and what you said. If you post here, but are not open to feedback on it based on various perceptions of it, might want to ask yourself why.

Maybe you are simply misunderstood, maybe you have it all figured out, thats not for me to decide, thats between you and the Gods. Be well and bless your journey seeking truth. I mean that.

 

[Paladin of Khepu]

I asked direct question, what the Gods need from humans? and you asked how i work with the High Ranking Gods? Execuse me, but, i always thought that they're all important no mater if you consider them High Ranket or not, I have never attached importance to this hierarchy, the relationship itself is important to me, regardless of whether I conduct these relationships as you claim with the "lower gods" or with the "higher gods" You also said that i should read and listen more, well, for 9 years i had no account, I only had the opportunity to read the Russian forum, and I never went to English. and since i started recently to study that language i shows up here. So, trust me, i read enough but i still have a lots of questions. Yes, you send me that link, so what? i read that before, it's still explains nothing. Some folks told me that Gods are teachers but they're cant exaplaing what do they're really need, i know what they're can give, i know what they're need strong humanity, but i have no clue why, why they're need all of this and what exactly they're need, what i can give them? I left this path many times, and the Gods kept bringing me back here again and again i have no clue why. the truth is that I feel completely ungrateful and it is not convenient for me to summon the Gods because I am aware of all their power, all their full power, but what can I give them in return?

Recently, about 20 minutes ago, I was meditating on the 4th chakra, and an emotional enlightenment came to me, on the level of catharsis, and I heard a voice in my head, i felt strong pressure on the third eye (not pain) and the voice said - memory. But I can't believe that's really enough for them? so just that we remember them? i guess there's something else for sure

So I’m going to step in on this one here. One as you’ve stated you’ve been in the Russian forum. And yet you ask what the gods are requiring of you. If you can contribute to the temple via outreach or HoO then that is fine, you also must elevate yourself by working extensively on your soul. You feel ungrateful for leaving and coming back yet question the gods what they want. The main reason is to work on yourself. You seem to be very upset on finding an answer but the answers are right before you. The link @I.Am.Radiant sent you can be insightful. Stop using your logic to compensate, reread it with an open mind. I hope you take what other members are saying seriously as we are all in this together working on ourselves. Also a good step is something my GD has always told me, fortify with the basics. Start from there brother. Much love to you

Hail Zeus Brother

 

[Black Magic]

Like I said I truly wish you growth and guidance on this path. I truly feel there is ample guidance here if you have the (figurative) ears to hear it.

I was simply making an honest observation based on the tone, and what you said. If you post here, but are not open to feedback on it based on various perceptions of it, might want to ask yourself why.

Maybe you are simply misunderstood, maybe you have it all figured out, thats not for me to decide, thats between you and the Gods. Be well and bless your journey seeking truth. I mean that.

So you’re admitting that instead of focusing on my question, you’re focusing on some abstract tone and the way I’m expressing myself? What does that have to do with anything? I don’t understand what the problem is with giving a direct, clear answer. You could have just said, “I don’t know,” but instead you’re running around the bush and wishing me some abstract good luck, and the scariest thing is that you’re being sincere, as you already wrote. Just so you know, if someone ask me the question i dont tell to the one like - oh!!! ur need more meditation!!!11 oh!!!1 urs chackras are durty! noo! i always give direct answers to those who asked me something, or, i just say i don't know, simple isn't it? next time Instead of saying what everyone here has alredy known for a long time, why not just say something simple and honest like, “I don’t know”? Or just keep quiet? or!!! maybe if u so smart, maybe you gonna tell me what can you give to the Gods what they're dont have? but that what thye're really need from the humans? Of course that i gonna continue to working on that question, but you're the one acting like you know better and know more than I do right now. So please, my dear friend, enlighten me on this?

 

[Black Magic]

I loved that you commented on this, thank you.

I hope older members will take this into consideration.

As for the High Priestess i believe she did not mean that literally instead she just wanted to encourage action and argued against entitlement. Given her overall interactions, instead of focusing on just 1 moment.


This attitude is indeed present in many old members here, and this used to anger me,

First some love to see one stay dumb, they will love answering his lowliest questions to display ego and avoid the good ones to let him stay as he is, or simply dismissing him. Some also engage in gatekeeping the informations that are already shared and are to be refered. This fails of course, i experienced it and always by accident i find what i wanted..

Many are helping members from ego with no spiritual background to the act,

I do not see a problem in wanting to be better and i understand the lack of maturity to want to see someone always lowly,

I also do not mind one thinking be is superior than me because he did X Y Z and i did not.

all the above is ok to me, or even more its not of my business, everyone can choose to do as he likes i am not here to judge.

What i find intrusive and makes me angry is when one is delusional, arrogant and disrespectful enough to do the following:

-To insert oneself between an initiate and the Gods to presume, based on one's own contributions or tenure ( i am not undermining peoples effort, i am against one injecting himself between an initiate and a God and starting to tell what the Gods think of the initiate based on ego. This is bullshit) , to speak for the divine and declare whom the Gods will answer or favor is not merely arrogant; it is a fundamental spiritual violation.

This act projects human contempt and ego onto the Gods, as if the Divine shared the same petty hierarchies ( i am not talking about hierarchy of ToZ, i am talking about when one does X Y Z and sees an ´unseen’ hierarchy that exists only in his mind, about the Gods seing him as supreme and above everyone else that ´HE ´ thinks is above. ) and grudges as flawed mortals.

It claims an authority that belongs to no member, i notably refrain from such behavior precisely because i understands its hubris. When a member says, "The Gods will not appear to you because I have done more," they are no longer serving the Gods they are using the Gods as a prop for their own status. ( talking about members who do it, the High Priestess does not engage in that.)

The Gods see through this. And They take it seriously. No one stands between another soul and the Divine except by delusion. The correct posture is silence on what the Gods think of another ( i am talking when one does this based on ego instead of understanding. There are some cases where than can be valid as guidance. ), and focus on one's own path.

If someone sees an unseen hierarchy that makes him supreme to another initiate from Gods perspective( yes doing work for the temple is good and better than doing nothing, but one cannot assume the Gods wont give grace to someone just because one thinks that, this is bullshit), this is the same mentality of thinking some race is higher than another race by definition from Gods perspective. Or some alien race is by definition lowly and hostile and such.

If one does vibrations to his pineal gland making it wet and dripping, it does not mean now my Guardian God is impressed and sees me lowly while sees the other as above me, and now i am bound to not have high experiences unless the one who walks with wet pineal gland have them ( i know some experiences requires certain advancement, and its normal to not expect certain things when not haven open chakras for example while another is having them wide open from years of practice, this is based on understanding, i criticize superiority coming from ego. Anything coming from understanding and such i agree with even if wrong its okay, what i am against is thinking ones ego is aligned with the divine will. Ones ego is not even aligned with one higher consciousness not to talk about Gods.) Those things exists only on the mind of the one projecting them.

My friend, sibling in Zevism, you're thinking straight, and I like that, therefore, I ask, in your opinion, whether it is subjective or objective, what is the use of us to the Gods?

 

[High Priestess Lydia Coventina]

However, conditioning the presence or response of the Gods on the performance of "significant work for the Temple" is a position I do not consider correct. The relationship between a deity and a practitioner is unique.

Yes absolutely, but it is not to be expected with every God. With one's Guardian Daemon and perhaps 5-10 other Gods yes, but BlackMagic seemed to expect this from all the Gods, which is incorrect. There are some Gods that only work with Their followers (those whom They are a GD of) and those who are committed to helping further the cause of Zeus.

And if you're not doing significant work for the Temple, then they have no reason to appear to you.

^ This is for some of the Gods. I did not mean to imply this is all the Gods.

"Perhaps it's the way you write, but some of your posts make it seem like you don't understand our Gods and just how Supreme they are."
Regarding this comment: what may be completely obvious to you might not be to others. If someone is asking a question, it's precisely because they don't yet fully understand it. Therefore, I believe it's everyone's duty here—especially those of us who do understand—to offer better guidance and understanding, always based on empathy.

Yes, that is what I wrote. Tone doesn't come across in text, I wrote that to make it clear that others had also commented on how he worded his posts about the Gods.

 

[Black Magic]

Yes absolutely, but it is not to be expected with every God. With one's Guardian Daemon and perhaps 5-10 other Gods yes, but BlackMagic seemed to expect this from all the Gods, which is incorrect. There are some Gods that only work with Their followers (those whom They are a GD of) and those who are committed to helping further the cause of Zeus.


^ This is for some of the Gods. I did not mean to imply this is all the Gods.


Yes, that is what I wrote. Tone doesn't come across in text, I wrote that to make it clear that others had also commented on how he worded his posts about the Gods.

Of course that i didn't meant to be rude and i haven't even thought about that since English it's not my mother language, i hope i gonna find my answer because if i wont, i can't be sincere with the Gods for 100%. I don't want to abuse my relationship with the Gods, and I also want to give them something in return, but I do not know what special I can offer the Gods who are powerful and rule this world, and can I offer them something like that in general? i just wanna know what exactly they're want from people. Folks used to say that i should meditate on that more, but i have strong feeling that the answer might be something like personal gnosis that wont be objective in general for all people, and i need objective truth because my mind might create something that wont be related to the reality. Reason why i asked this question to the Clergy is because im not that powerfull as Cleargy, and because i can trust Clergy in such questions i asked it here because i can't answer that for my self and to be sure that this is 100% true and not my fiction

 

[High Priestess Lydia Coventina]

With all due respect, I would like to offer my perspective on this matter, especially considering my active participation in the Spanish-speaking community.

And thank you for adding what you wrote I have been too short on time to give fuller replies here lately, and my hasty reply did cause some confusion.

 

[Eudora]

And thank you for adding what you wrote I have been too short on time to give fuller replies here lately, and my hasty reply did cause some confusion.

Thank you for explaining. May the Gods bless you today and always.

 

[Sprezzatura]

My friend, sibling in Zevism, you're thinking straight, and I like that, therefore, I ask, in your opinion, whether it is subjective or objective, what is the use of us to the Gods?

Do you know how we will look if we both talk about this ?

I prefer not to write my opinions on this,

i know the attitude of members of ‘ oh he knows the Gods lol, 1 month account lol he thinks he knows hahahahaahaha let him be he thinks he knows the Gods’

i do not accept that disrespect, i would have took it if other people who dont know say they dont know, but i will be sitting in the thread alone, while in fact most members need help in that subject way more than me, i see how at every update members are corrected in mass, rarely i see someone who taped into the update before it was released, this is telling.

So i would rather pass the question to the old members, and see how they will answer you, i will keep my delusions to myself.

i am not talking about Clergy members, i am N1 sycophant in the forum, i talk about members, the ones who have the above attitude, i value a new member with good heart more than an old one consumed by ego.

Only weakness makes people swallow others ego, to get the pity help. And strength and power is when one can turn down profits just to follow what he really wants and act from his High Consciousness. And still get more profits than what he turned down️

Just think about how many Great people in history turned down being ´purchased with money’, this cannot be done from weakness.

Do not forget you have the Gods on your side, reach to them more, do not expect to get answers ONLY in the forum, ask the Gods. They do answer, in multiple ways, especially when you are a good person.

Often, all your answers aren't here. ToZ is the beginning in many things.

What Eudora said here is of big depth, for example ToZ teaches you how to summon, but it is obvious you do not have scripts of what you will say to the God or script of how the Gods react etc.. those you have to learn from experience, and the path is personal. Read ToZ and practice, good luck! Both of you and Eudora by the way seem gifted. I love you both

 

[Paladin of Khepu]

So you’re admitting that instead of focusing on my question, you’re focusing on some abstract tone and the way I’m expressing myself? What does that have to do with anything? I don’t understand what the problem is with giving a direct, clear answer. You could have just said, “I don’t know,” but instead you’re running around the bush and wishing me some abstract good luck, and the scariest thing is that you’re being sincere, as you already wrote. Just so you know, if someone ask me the question i dont tell to the one like - oh!!! ur need more meditation!!!11 oh!!!1 urs chackras are durty! noo! i always give direct answers to those who asked me something, or, i just say i don't know, simple isn't it? next time Instead of saying what everyone here has alredy known for a long time, why not just say something simple and honest like, “I don’t know”? Or just keep quiet? or!!! maybe if u so smart, maybe you gonna tell me what can you give to the Gods what they're dont have? but that what thye're really need from the humans? Of course that i gonna continue to working on that question, but you're the one acting like you know better and know more than I do right now. So please, my dear friend, enlighten me

Focus on if she’s telling the truth in her speech besides attacking unnecessarily. You are focused on the delivery and she is without doubt giving you the adequate information that will be of resolute indictment towards what you want from the Gods. Wasting your energy to not see the truth behind the words hurts only you, not anyone else. Take time to consider this.

 

[Black Magic]

Do you know how we will look if we both talk about this ?

I prefer not to write my opinions on this,

i know the attitude of members of ‘ oh he knows the Gods lol, 1 month account lol he thinks he knows hahahahaahaha let him be he thinks he knows the Gods’

i do not accept that disrespect, i would have took it if other people who dont know say they dont know, but i will be sitting in the thread alone, while in fact most members need help in that subject way more than me, i see how at every update members are corrected in mass, rarely i see someone who taped into the update before it was released, this is telling.

So i would rather pass the question to the old members, and see how they will answer you, i will keep my delusions to myself.

i am not talking about Clergy members, i am N1 sycophant in the forum, i talk about members, the ones who have the above attitude, i value a new member with good heart more than an old one consumed by ego.

Only weakness makes people swallow others ego, to get the pity help. And strength and power is when one can turn down profits just to follow what he really wants and act from his High Consciousness. And still get more profits than what he turned down️

Just think about how many Great people in history turned down being ´purchased with money’, this cannot be done from weakness.

Do not forget you have the Gods on your side, reach to them more, do not expect to get answers ONLY in the forum, ask the Gods. They do answer, in multiple ways, especially when you are a good person.


What Eudora said here is of big depth, for example ToZ teaches you how to summon, but it is obvious you do not have scripts of what you will say to the God or script of how the Gods react etc.. those you have to learn from experience, and the path is personal. Read ToZ and practice, good luck! Both of you and Eudora by the way seem gifted. I love you both

Answer was simple and brilliant, NG Sonne gave me that, and I'm really thankful to him. People who usually know nothing about the subject, I noticed, used to running around or speaking about things that not related to question. Always better say that - "I don't know" than pour out water around about nothing. And again, I noticed yours first words, like - "Do you know how we gonna looks like?" But why do you even care about that? Are you care more about opinions of the others than about the truth or what? No need to be conformist here, abrahamist folks maybe would appreciate that quality, but thank Gods we're not them

 

[Black Magic]

Focus on if she’s telling the truth in her speech besides attacking unnecessarily. You are focused on the delivery and she is without doubt giving you the adequate information that will be of resolute indictment towards what you want from the Gods. Wasting your energy to not see the truth behind the words hurts only you, not anyone else. Take time to consider this.

Please be kind and show me where did I attacked someone here? Anyway I already received the answer. Looks like being straightforward really enough to come to the truth than running around with no point about the topic

 

[Paladin of Khepu]

Please be kind and show me where did I attacked someone here? Anyway I already received the answer. Looks like being straightforward really enough to come to the truth than running around with no point about the topic

So you’re admitting that instead of focusing on my question, you’re focusing on some abstract tone and the way I’m expressing myself? What does that have to do with anything? I don’t understand what the problem is with giving a direct, clear answer. You could have just said, “I don’t know,” but instead you’re running around the bush and wishing me some abstract good luck, and the scariest thing is that you’re being sincere, as you already wrote. Just so you know, if someone ask me the question i dont tell to the one like - oh!!! ur need more meditation!!!11 oh!!!1 urs chackras are durty! noo! i always give direct answers to those who asked me something, or, i just say i don't know, simple isn't it? next time Instead of saying what everyone here has alredy known for a long time, why not just say something simple and honest like, “I don’t know”? Or just keep quiet? or!!! maybe if u so smart, maybe you gonna tell me what can you give to the Gods what they're dont have? but that what thye're really need from the humans? Of course that i gonna continue to working on that question, but you're the one acting like you know better and know more than I do right now. So please, my dear friend, enlighten me on this?

Perhaps as English is your second language you are still acclimating to what you are responding in a way that tone is given that of antagonization. Whether that may be the truth or a lack of filter you have to understand where people are coming at and to you. I believe you are a reasonable individual and I hope that perhaps based on future conversations you read everything and don’t react to it externally and process internally through you intuitive channels of what you’ve learned as a Zevist.

 

[Sprezzatura]

Answer was simple and brilliant, NG Sonne gave me that, and I'm really thankful to him.

That was a Master move. NG Sonne always has those impressive moments i always think he showed all his impressive side then he does something more impressive️

Always better say that - "I don't know" than pour out water around about nothing.

I agree

But why do you even care about that?

Many reasons, one of them It always ends up with useless back and forth replies that are just a waste of time…

Like what you are doing now with Paladin of Kepu, ( enjoy it, i do not say this is bad, i just personally became lazy for it, but i understand the kink) :

-You said this but you said that

-No i did say this you just misunderstood

-But i said this and said that..

-ok i got answer already.

-but why you said this and that?

Thats how i hear the astral sometimes, its similar to those conversations

 

[VultureAI]

Black Magic, thank you for the question.

Meditation as a serious practice to approach with consistency, patience, and understanding.

In practical terms, treat the practice as a disciplined recommendation rather than a forced requirement unless an official rule says otherwise. Consistency matters more than pressure.

If you are new, start small, keep it sincere, and ask follow-up questions as they come up.

 

[Black Magic]

Perhaps as English is your second language you are still acclimating to what you are responding in a way that tone is given that of antagonization. Whether that may be the truth or a lack of filter you have to understand where people are coming at and to you. I believe you are a reasonable individual and I hope that perhaps based on future conversations you read everything and don’t react to it externally and process internally through you intuitive channels of what you’ve learned as a Zevist.

You havent showed me when i attached someone, u really confuse me

 

[Black Magic]

That was a Master move. NG Sonne always has those impressive moments i always think he showed all his impressive side then he does something more impressive️

I agree

Many reasons, one of them It always ends up with useless back and forth replies that are just a waste of time…

Like what you are doing now with Paladin of Kepu, ( enjoy it, i do not say this is bad, i just personally became lazy for it, but i understand the kink) :

-You said this but you said that

-No i did say this you just misunderstood

-But i said this and said that..

-ok i got answer already.

-but why you said this and that?

Thats how i hear the astral sometimes, its similar to those conversations

i dont enjoy it at all, I've always been straightforward, and I expect the same from others, If the answers weren't so vague, we wouldn't be having these conversations

 

[Lucifigus]

Greetings, lately I’ve been performing power rituals of the Gods quite often, I've noticed that some Gods respond better to my rituals, while others are not. I don't have issues with sensitivity, i just dont get it why is that happening when I work with certain Gods I don’t get any response, even the during meditation after the ritual itself. There's aslo certain Gods what shows up even withoud any rituals while im not even thought about them. Do the Gods have their own preferences, or could I be doing something wrong in relation to certain Gods?

In my case, i working with Maat, Apollo, Nemesis, and Kronos so well, they're literaly influence my reality, but with King Paimon for example i feel nothing, i just recive images through 3rd eye that I just can't understand properly, sometimes i recive nothing at all, or just one image for 1 hour of ritual and meditation together

"A Zevist will see Father Satan/Zeus when He will declare that Zevist is ready."