Enemy religions are yehuboric. But not everyone in them is.

[MAHADEV]

This is a controversial opinion on this matter,

Everyone replying to this thread with attack i will not reply to him, if one wants to discuss he should keep a minimum respect, and give valid point, random direct attacks or replies with no valid point i promise i will ignore and report,

do not respect me, respect the temple, given the fact i reminded you, if you disrespect in comment you are on purpose violating rules of forum, and by consequence disrespecting clergy, show me how fierce you are by giving valid points about ideas, or bringing something better, not random lowly attacks.

Disclaimer: following can be wrong, i am sharing my thoughts, same way Zevists share theirs, this is not related to ToZ, i am sharing my personal opinion, ready and open for correction. English is not my first language, anything off its because of that.

This will be controversial, i hope it will get a benefit of doubt, i hope whoever reads this take time to read it and not skim, to avoid misunderstandings,

I feel i am walking on edge of the razor on this,

I acknowledge the good Side of Zevists, but this whole thread is about going into the bad side, i know every good thing, this is not subject of this thread, i am going into only the bad side here,

κάθαρσις

θεοφάνεια

ἀρετή

-I always thought that a Zevist can still have Yehubor in him, it was always clear to me, having the Yehubor within is having the potential to channel Izfet, which can be purified either through doing the work, and even in increase of wisdom, knowledge and strategy.

[ The bad is the Good refusing to be Pragmatic.]

After the update, no race is anymore taking the whole blame,

After the update, the blame is not allowed to be targeted to a specific spot, but still many are still projecting the same blame, to other places,

I see this as a failure to do the internal work, the update is not about not blaming a race but blaming something else, the update goes in depth and shows the original problem, the spirit of Yehubor which the one directing the blame carries a part of, but refuses to look in the mirror and cannot accept the fact that he himself is playing consciously or consciously part in channeling Izfet, each one to different extents,

Those updates i did not got surprised when they were face with resistence, i see that we were in a darkroom, everyone had a hunchback of notre-dame but we all were focused on outside of the room, the updates turned the light on and now everyone hunchback is apparent ,

No amount of blaming will cover that, we all saw it and we cannot unsee, no amount of trying to blame someone or a group will be sufficient to distract others from your own hunchback,

Any blaming tactic will fail,

One is no more better than everyone else in the world just Because he is Zevist,

And one is no more supreme in this planet just because he did a dedication ritual,

And one is not [ Not to blame ] just because he did a dedication,

And one is not [ failing ] just because he is Zevist and cursed,

And one is not Failing because of some outside resistence,

The updates put the finger on the injury, its painful but wise,

It is not all about being a Zevist that in fact is just going through the door, many had a Guardian God even before the dedication, still the dedication is potent, but this to point as the dedication does not mean someone is

BY DEFINITION SUPREME TO ALL NON ZEVIST.

This is personally disagree with, and i know for sure everyone who disagree will with time agree, since the opposite only brings entitlement and lowly levels.

When after updates it was pointed that a Zevist should banish the yehubor within etc..

This was going a step further, it was a very brave step pointing that Zevists are not cute just because they are Zevists, we too have work to do and we too have impurities we should work on removing,

Ascending requires embodiment of purities and also stripping away the impurities, both are paramount, no one can ascend by doing 1 of them and forgetting the other,

Also, it is worth mentioning that embodying pure things of itself cleanse the impurities, but it is always necessary to do target the impurities also and work on them to evolve in a faster and balanced way,

After we all now agree that the yehubor do exist in Zevists too,

Which comes with potential of Izfet channeling occasionally,

I want to take this a step further and say, Non Zevists also all of them channel Maat, each to different extent,

A muslim for example, who is called here by Zevists a yehubor, i believe that is false,

The same way we cannot call a race as a whole a yehubor,

I strongly believe we cannot call people following a religion as a whole yehubors,

We can call the religion yehuboric, yes!

But the person in it, NO,

Many are simply born into those, and many do not even practice it,

Call them yehubors is self entitlement,

Given the fact many of those ‘ Yehubors ‘ [ i mean people who are currently muslim for example ] can actually be channeling Maat more than many Zevists,

So a Zevist is not better in alignment with Maat than a Muslim by definition [ or christian or buddhist or whatever..]

Yes the true Path is Zevism, but those who did not find it yet, are not Yehubors just because they did not come across it,

In fact those aligned heavily with Maat, and with good intellectual and spiritual faculties, upon joining Zevist will clearly have a big headstart and improve fast,

So we can call a religion Yehuboric,

We cannot call everyone within it a Yehubor.

During JoS, there were things that are off, imagine if there were another group calling everyone in JoS Yehubors, because of not coming yet to the understanding of ToZ,

JoS people were doing their best, its not Yehubors,

Big difference,

If a 5years old takes a candle and finds God sigils of his Zevist Mother, and start burning them,

He is not a Yehubor,

He is a 5years old.

In all the above i am talking to well meaning individuals, who have pure heart and doing their best, and still doing mistakes, those in my opinion are and have always been Zevists even before joining the path.

Seing an image other than this is pure ego and yehubor,

Since the Gods are on this,

THE GODS DO GUIDE MANY EVEN WHILE THEY ARE STILL MUSLIM.

Make no mistake and do not think you are above everybody just because that you are Zevist, this [ we are chosen ones ] mentality, and [ The Gods talk only to me ] mentality.

The Gods see the big picture, one doing already very good at aligning with Maat, even going against his own religion [ islam for example ] and risking [ Allah ] punishment, and disagr with his doctrine and doing his best,

This is pure bravery and pure Zevist soul, with ignorance that will be taken care of with time,

Everyone who thinks one while he is muslim cannot have a Theophany is 100% wrong, and you will be humbled if you know.

The Gods view the matter from above, they see and know everything, and they know the potential of everyone, thus the Gods can guide and even give theophanies to people still in the beginning of the path, still in a wrong religion, because they know, and we are at a time, that it does not serve the Gods, to start banishing everyone,

For many, they have born in an enemy religion, so part of their life path is like this:

Born in Islam => practice islam => disagree with parts from it => start questioning => reading and learning => quitting islam => being Agnostic or Athiest => learning other religions => finding about the Gods => finding ToZ. => becoming a Zevist

If thats his life viewed as a whole,

Why do you believe he is a Yehubor just for being early in the path?

He is literally a Zevist in the eyes of Gods who see the Big image.

That being said, i believe the focus should no more be on blaming whoever or trying to make a groupe of people take the blame,

Every Zevist should be responsable, and look at his hunchback in the mirror.

Only this will cause a breakthrough, advancement and high understanding.

Key points:

1. The real and number 1 enemy is internal (Yehubor spirit), not external races or religions. Blaming a specific race or religious group is a failure of self-reflection,everyone, including Zevists, carries the potential for Izfet. [ not saying that other religions does not have Yehubor in them, all this thread is 1 aspect of the matter, i see the matter from very different aspects including ones that make Zevists truly chosen ones, but i balance it with the aspect of this thread, to avoid entitlement, victim mentality etc..]

2. Dedication to Zevism does not automatically make anyone supreme, “not to blame,” or superior to non-Zevists. Entitlement based on ritual status is counter to actual advancement.

3. A person born into an enemy religion (e.g., Islam) is not a “Yehubor” simply by affiliation. Many such individuals channel more Maat than some Zevists, and the Gods guide them even while they are still within that religion.

4. The Gods see the full timeline of a soul’s journey. Being early in the path—still in a false religion—does not make one an enemy; it can be a necessary phase leading to Zevism. Not seing this is lack of wisdom, perspective and foretelling.

5. Call a religion “Yehuboric” if accurate, but never an individual person within it. People are born into circumstances; labeling them enemy spirits is self-righteous and factually wrong. THEY ARE NOT YEHUBORS BY DEFINITION JUST BECAUSE OF BEING BORN IN A FAMILY, SAME ONE IS NEVER SUPREME JUST BECAUSE HE IS BORN IN A SPECIFIC FAMILY. THIS IS OTHER FACE OF COIN OF THE RACE THING, YOU SAY RACE IS IRRELEVANT BECAUSE ONE JUST HAS BEEN BORN IN A FAMILY, AND THEN BLAME HIM FOR THINGS CAUSED JUST BECAUSE OF HIM BEING BORN IN IT, EITHER THE RACE SUPERIORITY THING IS REAL TOO, OR BOTH RACE AND DOCTRINE CAUSED ONLY BY BIRTH PLACE , ARE BOTH NOT DEFINING BY DEFINITION THE PERSON.

6. The “we are the chosen ones” mentality is pure ego and Yehubor itself. The Gods are not exclusive communicators with Zevists alone. [ i am not saying Gods talk with yehubors, do not distort my message, i say that one can receive God guidance early in the path by early i mean before he gets into Zevism. So he guided while being Non Zevist. The Clergy have talked about people having Guardian Gods before even dedicating. This solidifies my point. ]

7. Ascension requires both embodying purity and actively stripping away impurities. Doing only one and focusing on external enemies,blocks balanced evolution.

8. The recent updates forced a painful but wise mirror: everyone now sees their own “hunchback.” No amount of outward blame can distract from internal work anymore.

 

[hailourtruegod]

You are able to see the logic of judging individuals for their characters and actions. That is good. The problem here is that you are coming off as this is some revelation no else has noticed either. It's even written in the pathologies and the cures in depth of what is Yehuboric and what is Maat. There has been even pushback (albeit very small amounts of times doing so) towards long term members who fail to show respect or in other words project a pathology like Kagoim.

It is not a common theme for people here to call everyone who is not a Zevist a Yehubor, either. Nor have I seen one example of this by any serious member. If you have a specific example then it would help your point to be direct as I feel this post was incredibly vague on whom you speak of while you also lean heavily towards blaming the majority here for misunderstanding the terms.

Brevity would also help your point as you also took about 5 paragraphs to get to a point and then repeated yourself over and over.

My final direct point for you is to make sure you read the cures to the pathologies as well and if you see any dedicated member failing to put the updates into practice then humbly and respectfully redirect them.


One more thing I would like to touch on is while doing the dedication to Zeus is an act of Maat, something that even secular people of Yehuboric religions would not do if they knew about it, the majority of us know one act is not enough. It is the sincere consistency afterwards that proves their actions and soul value are above the majority on earth.

Although just because a person, let's for example spent their whole life saving innocent animals but never finding the ToZ, doesnt mean they'll be judged by the Gods on the scale of a Zevist. The Gods take context heavily into consideration. Our High Priest has touched on this himself as well so I recommend focusing on his writings if you havent done so either.

If you would like to have a better understanding of how our community really acts then I highly recommend joining the VT chat.

I'll post the link to the thread on how to join in my next reply.

 

[hailourtruegod]

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[MAHADEV]

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if you think my thread was about defining Maat and Izfet, then you did not tap into the wisdom i shared.

The thread was far more complex, feeling on edge of razor i was cute with the examples, and metaphors.

I never saw someone before me claim one can receive theophany and guidance of Gods while under the wing of Yehuboric religions.

I also saw Zevists call other Zevists Non Zevists. Not to talk about other religions.

You are encouraging me to quote people. When the High Priest makes an update, does he quote people who were wrong on the matter? Does this sound logical thing to do? So why are you expecting me to engage in that, it makes no sense.

But this will read as a weakness.

And it will read like if truly members who are in vultus. Are indeed sharp on applying the knowledge given by the High Priest.

I will debunk that. First, a reminder: if one reads knowledge by the High Priest, yes he knows, but not necessarily have the experience. [ nor he REALLY KNOWS]He knows through the High Priest. Not through his own advancement. That sometimes leads to one confusing things, and thinks he is on the level of the High Priest on understanding of that matter, just because he read what he wrote on it.

Knowing something through reading the High Priest share it is a thing.

Knowing through experiences is a whole other thing.

You can read the Threads on theophany, unless you get one, its not same. Reading is not experiencing. Theory is not practice. Mental knowledge is not real life experience.

I dislike replying about the things below, since now we left all the subject behind, and arguing about not important matters, but this will prove to you that your whole reply is false. You need that check, because your message has an undermining tone. I do not mind, but in opposite of what you did, undermining something interesting without proof. I will not undermine yours but prove you are wrong. And you do not make difference between real advancement, and reading Pdfs.

First, talking about the thread is long and should be short. Your whole reply could be : we know the definitions of Maat and Izfet, no members says what you say, join us on vultus.

Why you made paragraphs ?

Anyway i dislike talking that way, as you see, you are making drift off the topic.

Here is debunking of your whole reply:

The alien test case proves definitions are not enough

You say my post was vague and unnecessary because the definitions of Maat and Izfet already exist. You say members don’t actually label individuals as Yehubors. You tell me to join VT to see how “real dedicated members think.”

Then explain this and answer directly, without deflection:

The alien precedent.

Before the High Priest’s thread on aliens, the definitions of Maat and Izfet were already published. Everyone had them. Yet the vast majority of this community, including active VT members, the very people you tell me to learn from, believed that all Reptilians and Greys were uniformly hostile. They advocated attacking Greys on sight. They speculated that the High Priest might have alien slaves. [ do not tell me its jokes, yes may be jokes but check vultus history, the community was claiming all aliens are hostile. ]This is documented. You know it. I know it.

Then the High Priest had to post a thread explaining that not all aliens are aligned with Izfet. The thread was necessary. It was not irrelevant. It directly corrected a widespread misapplication of the very definitions you claim are sufficient.

Now apply your own logic to my thread.

You argue that because the definitions of “Yehuboric religion vs. individual” exist, [this was not by the way the only point in thread, the thread had several points ] my thread is redundant. By that same logic, the High Priest’s alien thread was also redundant because the definitions of Maat and Izfet already existed. But you would never call the High Priest’s thread redundant. So your position is inconsistent.

The truth is this: a definition is not the same as integration. A community can recite words while completely failing to apply them in practice. The alien case proves it. My thread addresses the exact same failure applied to individuals born into Yehuboric religions. You cannot dismiss my thread as unnecessary unless you also dismiss the High Priest’s alien thread as unnecessary.

You won’t do that. So stop pretending that published definitions mean the work is done.

Now answer this one question, and do not dodge:

If members already had the definitions of Maat and Izfet, why did they need the High Priest to tell them that not all aliens are hostile?

Your answer will either concede my point or expose your own inconsistency. I will wait.

I will sit in this point like a mountain, i will not move, i need explanation on why the members in vultus failed to know not all aliens are hostile, even if they knew what is Maat and what is Izfet.

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

If members already had the definitions of Maat and Izfet, why did they need the High Priest to tell them that not all aliens are hostile?

By aliens do you specifically mean greys and reptilians? Because TOZ always acknowledged friendly aliens such as Nordics and others.

Clarity on greys and reptilians was needed because the old traditional view in TOZ is that they were all hostile with the exception of a few grey hybrids, some of whome were Gods even.

Humans very easily fall on tribal, black and white thinking. It’s easier to just see the whole group of people in Yehuboric religions as “bad”. It’s obviously more nuanced than that. I think it’s also to a certain extent necessary posturing to maintain a border between ourselves and those from Yehuboric religions.

About Maat and Izfet, entire species could as a majority become embodiments of either and therefore it would be fair to refer to that entire species as aligned with Maat or Izfet, or as good or evil, even if there are outliers.

From HP’s views on the matter, none of the species he talked about were as a majority Izfetic. Reptilians and greys were less spiritually advanced but weren’t as a majority called evil, even if there might some rogue Izfectic factions in these species.

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

They speculated that the High Priest might have alien slaves. [ do not tell me its jokes, yes may be jokes but check vultus history, the community was claiming all aliens are hostile. ]This is documented. You know it. I know it.

This is likely chinese whispers from HP himself making a joke about having grey and reptilian doing his dishes after some members got mad about him having serpent-like (not reptilian) bodyguards and confusing the two, as reptile was equated to evil (I partly blame christianity for this but perhaps also the countless myths that have snakes represent “chaos”, but there’s a reason they do that).

Reptiles have been heavily villified when they aren’t any more brutal than any other animals in the wild.

What High Priest had were beings from Atlantis time, friends of ToZ, entities of amphibian nature with extreme big eyes, round eyes with the pupil covering most of the whole area of the eye. Some are alike mythological Greek mermaids and spirits of water, some are the mighty Nagas. These are chtonic entities, not Gods and not replacing the powers or will of the Gods, rather aligned with them and they are allies, operating under the authority of High Priest that wields their secret names and powers.

 

[hailourtruegod]

The Dunning-Kruger effect way of arguing is noticeable here on top of arguing on a topic that is irrelevant to me and that is the whole alien thing. Don't start saying I am calling High Priest's post on the alien topic irrelevant. Understand what i mean by irrelevant in regards to what really matters in this Temple. At least from my point of view.

You are putting words in my mouth, ultimately. I said name an example of what you mean as I have not seen any of what you claim by serious members. Stop being redundant in 3-5 paragraphs before getting to your point. Your response to is to compare your words to that of High Priest...

You are not engaging in the spirit of my post about how to better engage in a topic and instead turning this into a back and forth argument.

Do not compare your writings to that of our High Priest as when he writes on topics to clear things on he is coherent and his logic does not need specific examples when the spirit of the post speaks for itself and we come out having a better undertanding of where to apply his wisdom and does this without attacking the large part of the members as you did.

You on the other hand said, members keep calling people of other religions Yehubors and I asked to name a specific time as your words come off as strong implication of the whole ToZ. Things are not perfect yet but nowhere near as bad as you claimed it all to be in your initial post

My invitation to the VT chat was for you to get close to Zevists and have a better understanding of how we act. You perceiving it completely wrong is not my fault.

If you're going to keep accusing me of these odd perceptions of yours then I am just wasting my time and energy replying.

I already wrote you are doing good by understanding the character is more important. If you think this is undermining you then this is an obvious insecurity on your part and I hope you overcome this as it gets in the way of conversations.

Anyways, I genuinely wish you the best in your spiritual path.

 

[Black Magic]

I don't get it, u said nothing new that we alredy know